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| jack_spain wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | rocketronnie wrote: | | Personality disorder plus low frustration tolerance plus poor coping skills = Tragedy. |
Are you talking about Jack Spain or the Canadian guy? 
By the way, what's this got to do with the title of the thread?
Oh, attention seeking behaviour by Jack, I get it.  |
Once again you leftist idiots won't face up to the facts. You attack someone for telling the truth - that this selfish little bastard of a man would rather kill his two year old son than have his mother keep him - and thereby prove my point.
You are simply bleeding hearts who have not the moral apparatus to make judgments on such matters. For you lot, everyone is the victim. Well no, the only victims here are the little boy and his Mum. The suicide can go to hell for all I care!  |
ditto,
how can anyone kill thier own child? a baby, who could not possibly have done anything to provoke it.
i feel for the mother, and the parents at the kinda or child care centre he worked at, gees how would you feel knowing your child was in the care of this monster?
where is the so called moral compass of the bastard that cold heartedly killed his own child for a petty "if i cant have him, neither can you" reason.
what? he was stressed and depressed?? stiff shit, kill yourself but leave the child alone.
i know, blame the roads authority, someone has to be to blame dont they? cant be the "poor innocent unhappy little man" that so bravely chucked a defencelsess child over a railing, petrified, to his death
thats not a tradgedy, thats stone cold, premeditated, murder.
rot in hell you bastard
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| 3.14159...etc wrote: | | jack_spain wrote: |
Once again you leftist idiots won't face up to the facts. You attack someone for telling the truth - and thereby prove my point.
You are simply bleeding hearts who have not the moral apparatus to make judgments on such matters. [/u]. |
i think the most depressing thing about this thread is Jack Spain once again using some-one elses heartbreak to insult and deride those that disagree with him.
when the ppl of queensland were sand-bagging their homes he attacked the premier and.. "all us left-wing idiots".
which way is your moral compass pointing jack? |
Exactly.
I have not offered any opinion on the man who killed himself & his child.
Jack, as you rightly noted has exploited other people's misery for his (ill) perceived sense of advantage or gain.
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I notice the Gay Marriage threads
get his moral compass spinning
like a Diesal Electric Motor. |
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rocketronnie
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The estimable Mr Spain successfully dog whistles again - surprise surprise....
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You anti Jack Spainers are incredible.
This Guy KILLED, MURDED, his child.
That is Plain and simple.
If he wants to kill himself , fine, but to MURDER an innocent child, what a low life, regardless of circumstances leading up to it, it was a pure selfish act, nothing less.
A theif aint a theif until he gets caught, and this guy was a selfish pig, his last actions proves this, and if you idiots out there cant see this then you are beyond help?
BTW I suffered severe depression for 15 years, been off the meds for 2 years now and feel great ( A premiership helps), i never once thought of taking someone else's life whilst contemplating suicide many times in that 15 years.
I do know something about mental illness and would never wish it on my worst enemy.
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Have you actually read all the posts in this thread? I doubt you have. More like you are just randomly attention seeking again given the basic inacuracy of your outraged rant.
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Fatboy
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| rocketronnie wrote: |
Spare us your "superior intellect and moral compass" Pain. Contributors to this thread see beyond the simplistic knee jerk dog whistling you purvey and have touched on the probable causes and depth of this tragedy. The only way to prevent any such further tragedies is to develop an understanding of the mindset of the perpetrator. Simplistic idiocy like calling him a "heartless bastard who can go to hell" contributes nothing at all to that process and in fact probably obscures it. Still dog whistling is your stock in trade so there is no surprise there.  |
Why are you having a go at Jack for, WHY?
To for fill some power trip fantasy.
You are a very shallow man, very shallow.
BTW The guy was a heartless bastard, prove me otherwise. |
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| Fatboy wrote: | | rocketronnie wrote: |
Spare us your "superior intellect and moral compass" Pain. Contributors to this thread see beyond the simplistic knee jerk dog whistling you purvey and have touched on the probable causes and depth of this tragedy. The only way to prevent any such further tragedies is to develop an understanding of the mindset of the perpetrator. Simplistic idiocy like calling him a "heartless bastard who can go to hell" contributes nothing at all to that process and in fact probably obscures it. Still dog whistling is your stock in trade so there is no surprise there. |
Why are you having a go at Jack for, WHY?
To for fill some power trip fantasy.
You are a very shallow man, very shallow.
BTW The guy was a heartless bastard, prove me otherwise. |
In a simplistic, reductionist and crude way you may be right. I prefer the term "Sociopath" myself. Taking the emotion out of the debate allows the case history to be analysed and hopefully develop some steps that help prevent similar situations in the future.
But do keep on with the moral outrage. Ultimately your outrage has nothing to with the tragedy at all. In reality you've hardly thought about the devastation its caused. You are more intent, like your despicable little friend The estimable Mr Spain, to show how much more morally outraged you are, how much more morally superior you are to us. In the end its all about you and your ego. The tragedy barely matters to you at all. And thats what makes your post and Pain's worthy of nothing more than contempt.
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Ronnie, you don't seem to see that the very reason Jack and I are outraged is because of devastation left.
If the guy had of killed himself, ONLY, then i feel sorry for the guy because he was in such a dark place, but that is his choice, But the fact that he took his child's life changes the whole scene.
The family is where the Devastation is, the child's life cut short is where the devastation is, not his selfish thoughts. |
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stui magpie 
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"Heartless Bastard" is such an interesting term to be used in this situation.
It could equally be applied to anyone who committed suicide regarding the impact on their loved ones.
"Heartless Bastard" implies lack of feeling an emotion. I genuinely doubt that this was the issue here. I have no knowledge of the background that led up to it and don't want to assume anything. It is just a tragedy that an innocent child has been killed by someone they loved and who, I will assume here, loved them in return.
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Fatboy
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| stui magpie wrote: | "Heartless Bastard" is such an interesting term to be used in this situation.
It could equally be applied to anyone who committed suicide regarding the impact on their loved ones.
"Heartless Bastard" implies lack of feeling an emotion. I genuinely doubt that this was the issue here. I have no knowledge of the background that led up to it and don't want to assume anything. It is just a tragedy that an innocent child has been killed by someone they loved and who, I will assume here, loved them in return. |
Did he not lack feelings and emotions towards the people that were left behind, to the child's future? He was caught up in his own selfish needs, problem was he couldn't see it. He was to busy feeling sorry for himself. |
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stui magpie
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Yep, but that doesn't mean he didn't have feelings for the child or that the label "heartless bastard" is either accurate or appropriate.
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David
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| Fatboy wrote: | | BTW The guy was a heartless bastard, prove me otherwise. |
As much as RR already provided an excellent response to this, I'd like to chip in with my two cents.
It's interesting that many peoplelet's say, of a more conservative dispositiontend to react to incidents like these with personal condemnation. Rather than express concern over external factors (such as mental illness) or simply condemn the action, the response is often to heap vitriol on the perpetrator. "Rot in hell", "Cold-hearted bastard", "Evil", "Monster"these are all common refrains. Now, this may just be a regurgitation of the media rhetoric; regardless, it clearly seems to resonate with the more right-wing among us. Why is this the case?
Two immediately obvious possibilities arise: one, that the people who use this language are often simply less educated in the behavioural sciences; two, that the philosophy of free will and personal responsibility is more closely aligned with right-wing thinking.
There's truth to both propositions, I suspect, although the latter is a little more complicated. In my experience, at least, the philosophy of accountability tends to transcend traditional political divisions; if anything, 'realism' and hard determinism seem more the realm of the classical right than the activist left. If you take the average trotskyite socialist magazine, you'll find plenty of handy equivalents to the language of the tabloids: "racist"; "warmonger"; "misogynist pig"; "ruling-class scum"; etc. The targets may be different, but the contempt is the same.
It's possible, then, that this phenomenon is less about left and right than a simple matter of education (although I concede that many perfectly well educated people have no time for the "blame society/genetics" argument). Even so, this still fails to touch on why, for some, "heartless bastard" is so much more satisfying than "sociopath", or "cold-blooded killer" is preferable to "killer". And even the word "sociopath" is sneered just as readily now and then.
My views on this matter will, of course, come as no surprise: I don't agree with the concept of a righteous/evil duality, and I find the "rot in hell" rhetoric particularly empty (whether intended literally or figuratively). In my understanding of the world, nobody chooses to be a sociopath, or a paedophile, or a far-right Alan Jones worshipper for that matter. We can rightly condemn the actions of this man without having to pass judgement on his character or lack of scruples. If you had the choice, would you want to be a man who is so depressed, narcissistic and screwed up that you would kill yourself and your son? When you think about it, who would? As comforting as it is to feel assured of your own goodness and moral fervour, I wager that it's only a combination of circumstances, genetics and upbringing that has prevented you or I from doing something equally horrific.
How, then, should we view people like this man? Does sentencing him to imaginary eternal torment or lining up to piss on his corpse help us or society in general? Call me a bleeding heart, but I can only conclude that the sole productive response is sympathy.
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^ He MURDERED his son, what DONT you get about that.
Sympathy? Youve got to be joking, he lost that right when he took his innocent sons life.
Believe me David, I understand mental illness, 15 years with Severe depression. ( ok now 2years))
And please dont call me uneducated, as i have lived twice as long as you have, therefore experienced many more things. I was like you once, new it all, but matured one day and found out I new nothing. Age and life experiences will change the way you think, you are not an idiot, i gaurentee you that you will change. |
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David, people may not choose to be sociopaths pedophiles etc etc, but they choose to give in to their weird cravings.
You cannot excuse every bad act on the planet because they were born that way, made that way, mistreated etc etc.
This man was an adult, he knew right from wrong, he must have known that throwing ANY child off a bridge to their death, let alone his own, is not just wrong, but a terrifying awful way to die. But he didn't care, he did it anyway.
He did it to get back at his wife, the ultimate revenge.
Imagine that poor little boy. He would have felt it coming, "what is dad doing to me, why is he lifting me up here, why am I going over the edge, and then the sheer utter terror.... I only hope he died instantly, and did not have the physical pain to go with it.
Was he just walking along, and just though, hey I'll chuck him over the bridge, and then jump myself, or was it planned. That's premeditated murder.
For want of a better word, that's just evil.
I do believe in God, and I hope there is a hell for this bastard to rot in.
I have not one iota of sympathy for anything this man may have been through, I'll save it all for his son, and his sons mother, and the rest of the family.
This man killed his own son, a child who was entitled to feel safe and protected in his company.
This man did this awful deed, he is accountable no matter what his excuse.
There are to many excuses out there, it's time we all took responsibility for our actions.
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