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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:02 am
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Mighty Magpie's Offseason Trade and List Management Blog

I will post updates during the offseason. I don't intend to try and keep up with the likes our expert draftee analysts such as Knightmare (now on ESPN) and Snoop, but I will focus more on the potential trade and list management issues.

Draft Picks (Indicative at this stage - I will update)

6, 36, 54, 59, 78

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-01/indicative-draft-order-post-grand-final

The AFL empowered clubs to trade future draft picks in 2015, albeit with restrictions, including being able to trade only one year ahead and having to make at least two first-round selections every four years or face restrictions from trading any further first-round draft picks. Another complexity is if a club swaps a future round-one pick it cannot also offload later selections in that draft unless it trades back in, and vice versa.

Key dates:

Tuesday October 3 – Friday October 6 – NAB AFL Draft Combine

Friday October 6 - NAB AFL restricted free agency offer and unrestricted free agency period begins

Monday October 9, 9am* - NAB AFL Trade Period begins

Saturday October 14 - South Australian Draft Combine 

Sunday October 15 - West Australian Draft Combine

Sunday October 15, 5pm - Close of NAB AFL restricted free agency offer and unrestricted free agency period

Wednesday October 18 - NAB AFL restricted free agency matching offer three-day period ends

Thursday October 19, 2pm – NAB AFL Trade Period closes

Wednesday November 1 - NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (1) begins

Wednesday November 8 - NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (1) closes

Friday November 10 -  NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (2) begins

Friday November 17, 5pm - NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (2) closes

The NAB AFL Draft returns to Sydney in 2017. The draft will be held on Friday, November 24.

Saturday November 25 - NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (3) begins

Sunday November 26, 2pm - NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (3) closes

The NAB AFL Pre-season and Rookie Drafts will be held from 5pm on Monday, November 27. 

Wednesday November 29, 2pm - Final AFL club list lodgement
 
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-12/when-is-the-2017-afl-trade-period

2017 Retirements, Delistings, Trades:

Jesse White

AFL version: http://www.afl.com.au/news/features/retirements-and-delistings

Fox Sports version: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/offseason-central-every-afl-clubs-ins-outs-delistings-retirements-trades-draft-picks-recruits-rookies/news-story/16d0b8998bfd89a341a0fe8d8be26562

2017 Free Agents List

http://www.afl.com.au/news/trade/free-agency

ADELAIDE
Andy Otten (unrestricted)
BRISBANE LIONS
Claye Beams (unrestricted)
Ryan Harwood (unrestricted)
Tom Rockliff (restricted) 
CARLTON
Levi Casboult (unrestricted)
Matthew Kreuzer (unrestricted)
Kade Simpson (unrestricted)
Simon White (unrestricted) 
COLLINGWOOD
Tyson Goldsack (unrestricted)
Lachlan Keeffe (unrestricted)
Ben Sinclair (unrestricted)
ESSENDON
Heath Hocking (unrestricted)
Ben Howlett (unrestricted)
Brent Stanton (unrestricted) retired
David Zaharakis (restricted) re-signed 4 years
FREMANTLE
Hayden Ballantyne (restricted)
Zac Clarke (unrestricted)
Garrick Ibbotson (unrestricted) retired
Michael Johnson (unrestricted)
Nick Suban (unrestricted) 
GEELONG
Josh Cowan (unrestricted)
Andrew Mackie (unrestricted) retired
Steven Motlop (restricted)
Tom Lonergan (unrestricted) retired
Daniel Menzel (unrestricted) 
HAWTHORN
Shaun Burgoyne (unrestricted)
Taylor Duryea (unrestricted)
Josh Gibson (restricted) retired
Ryan Schoenmakers (unrestricted) 
NORTH MELBOURNE
Scott Thompson (restricted) retired
Lachlan Hansen (unrestricted) will not be offered a contract by NM 29/8/17
MELBOURNE
Jake Spencer (unrestricted)
Jack Trengove (unrestricted) 
PORT ADELAIDE
Jasper Pittard (unrestricted) re-signed 3 years 29/8/17
Jackson Trengove (restricted)
RICHMOND
Dustin Martin (restricted) 
ST KILDA
Sam Gilbert (unrestricted)
Leigh Montagna (unrestricted) retired
SYDNEY
Jarrad McVeigh (unrestricted) re-signed 1 year
WEST COAST
Sam Butler (unrestricted) retired
Mark LeCras (unrestricted)
Eric Mackenzie (restricted)
WESTERN BULLDOGS
Dale Morris (unrestricted)

The following players were free agents, but re-signed with their current clubs:
Luke Bruest (Hawthorn Hawks) – Re-signed until end of 2021.
Nat Fyfe (Fremantle Dockers) – Re-signed until end of 2023.
David Mundy (Fremantle Dockers) – Activated trigger clause for 2018.
Liam Picken (Western Bulldogs) – Re-signed until end of 2019.
Sam Reid (Sydney Swans) – Re-signed until end of 2021.
Aaron Sandilands (Fremantle Dockers) – Re-signed until end of 2018.
Justin Westhoff (Port Adelaide Power) – Activated trigger clause for 2018.

The following players were free agents, but retired or were delisted:
Dennis Armfield (Carlton Blues)
Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs)
Sean Dempster (St Kilda Saints)
Josh Gibson (Hawthorn Hawks)
Luke Hodge (Hawthorn Hawks)
Robert Murphy (Western Bulldogs)
Matt Priddis (West Coast Eagles)
Nick Riewoldt (St Kilda Saints)
Scott Thompson (Adelaide Crows)
Jobe Watson (Essendon Bombers)
and per sixpoints below:
Stanton (Essendon)
Mackie (Geelong)
Lonegan (Geelong)
Ibbotson (Fremantle)

http://www.theroar.com.au/afl/afl-free-agents/


Current Contract Statuses

Primary
1 Daniel Wells 2019
2 Scott Pendlebury 2020
3 Chris Mayne 2020
4 Travis Varcoe 2018
5 Steele Sidebottom 2021
6 Tyson Goldsack 2018
7 Jarryd Blair 2018
8 Ben Reid 2018
9 Jesse White retired
10 Lynden Dunn 2018
11 Jeremy Howe 2018
12 Levi Greenwood 2018
13 Adam Treloar 2021
14 Alex Fasolo 2018
15 Jaime Elliott 2018
16 Taylor Adams 2019
17 Will Hoskin-Elliott 2018
18 Ben Sinclair 2017 (FA)
19 Jack Crisp 2019
20 Brodie Grundy 2020
21 Tom Langdon 2018
22 James Aish 2018
23 Jordan De Goey 2018
24 Adam Oxley 2018
25 Brayden Maynard 2018
26 Timothy Broomhead 2018
27 Darcy Moore 2018
28 Jackson Ramsay 2017
29 Ben Crocker 2019
30 Matthew Scharenberg 2018
31 Tom Phillips 2019
32 Brayden Sier 2018
33 Rupert Wills 2019
34 Josh Smith 2017
35 Lachlan Keeffe 2017 Delisted
36 Sam McLarty 2018
37 Callum Brown 2018
38 Kayle Kirby 2018
39 Josh Daicos 2018
40


Rookie
1 Mason Cox - Cat B - nominated 2020 (I assume on primary list from 2018)
2 Josh Thomas 2018 (I assume on primary list from 2018)
3 Mitch McCarthy 2017 Delisted
4 Henry Schade 2017 Delisted
5 Liam Mackie 2017 Delisted
6 Max Lynch 2018
7

Free Agent Compensation in the new CBA

CBA: http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf

Appendix D

1.6 Compensation
(a) Where in a particular year one or more Free Agent(s) under Rule 1.1(a) and Rule 1.2(b) and/or Restricted Free Agent(s) move from a Club’s Playing List (the first mentioned Club) to the Playing List of one or more other Clubs pursuant to the operation of Rule 1.4 or 1.5, the first mentioned Club may be entitled to a compensatory selection(s) in the next occurring National Draft Selection Meeting as follows:
(i) any compensatory selection(s) shall be allocated in accordance with guidelines determined by the AFL;
(ii) National Draft Selections will be allocated to one of five places:
(A) First round;
(B) End of First Round;
(C) Second Round;
(D) End of Second Round;
(E) Third Round;
(iii) a National Draft Selection allocated under Rule 1.6(a)(ii)(A), (C) or (E) shall be taken by the Club immediately after the Club’s selection in that Round (as determined by the AFL Rules);
(b) For the avoidance of doubt, any entitlement to a compensatory selection:
(i) may be exchanged in accordance with the AFL Rules;
(ii) cannot be utilised pursuant to the Father/Son rule; and
(iii) cannot be utilised pursuant to the Listing of Club Academy Player.

See this article also: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-afl-s-secret-formula-for-free-agency-compensation-20180221-p4z16j.html

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:16 am
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The two that draw my attention are Scott Thompson and Jarrad McVeigh.

Thompson hasn't been offered a contract by North, could be a nice back up just like Dunn.

McVeigh is another that has been neglected by his own club. Invaluable experience, a great sweeper to have across half back and could play a roll similar to a James Kelly at Essendon for us.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:21 am
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Stanton, Mackie, Lonegan & Ibbotson retired too.
I really like the trade period - hope we do well and draft a gun or land a big fish.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:31 pm
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Preliminary draft order: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-28/indicative-draft-order-your-clubs-pick-after-round-23?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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It appears that we are starting with picks 6, 36, 54, 59, 78.

The AFL empowered clubs to trade future draft picks in 2015, albeit with restrictions, including being able to trade only one year ahead and having to make at least two first-round selections every four years. Another complexity is if a club swaps a future round-one pick it cannot also offload later selections in that draft unless it trades back in, and vice versa.

We did not make first round selections in 2015 and 2016 (Treloar deal). It has been commented that this rule can be gotten around with AFL approval ... I think it came up with Geelong last year (?). I'm not sure where that stands now.

Priority 1 - Restore TPP integrity. This is clearly code for getting rid of Mayne and his contract, but that will prove much harder to do than say. Why would he give up $ and why would another club take him unless we paid the difference between contract value and market value (and that assumes that a club would want him as a player). The only thought I've had on this is that the Swans are in a similar position regarding Tippett, albeit Tippett is a better and more valuable player. Removing Mayne will cost us, but maybe we can parley it into a KPF in Tippett?

Priority 2 - KPB. We are relying on Dunn, Reid and Goldsack who are approaching the end of their careers and it is far from clear that Schade is a ready-made replacement. Moore can swing back but that leaves a second KPF hole forward. Lever has been mentioned, but would be expensive to acquire given interest of many clubs. Is there another Dunn out there? We should be closely monitoring the FA list and delisted player lists for a bargain pickup KPB. History for us and other clubs suggests that we can get a decent veteran cheap.

Priority 3 - KPF. Pick 6 might get a KPF draftee such as Brander, but the draft is thin for KPP and there is a risk that Brander could be gone and we would be picking below our draft pick level if we were chasing a KPP. I'm no expert on potential draftees and we will get more details as mock drafts etc progress. Tom Lynch is out of contract in 2018 and given events at Gold Cost, I wonder if he can be enticed? We have pick 6 and some Queensland trade bait (not huge value by any means) in Keeffe, Oxley, Thomas. I think we may need to be more creative than that though.

Priority 4 - Polish. Josh Kelly anyone? But how? Lesser names that have been mentioned include Devon Smith and Jacob Hopper from GWS and I would expect Gold Coast to lose several players this year given events: Tom Lynch (see above), Aaron Hall, Brandon Matera and perhaps others might suit.

Priority 5 - Ruck backup. This moves up the order if we lose Cox. Serviceable backups can be acquired cheaply and could possibly even be rookie listed - think Hudson, Giles, Curry etc. Not after a star, just depth if the unthinkable happens.

Priority 6 - Hodge. A Hail Mary. I know he has retired, but a play-then-coach contract for Hodge would suit nicely providing a backline general for 1-2 years and bringing Hawthorn IP and leadership across.

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I would definitely be looking at Heath Hocking and Jackson Trengove.
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Love your work M M.

F W I W, I would like to see us take a fairly conservative approach to ( unrestricted ) free agency during this trade period.
Everyone loves the idea of not trading away to add a ready made player into the club but I think the Pies and supporters should be thinking big picture for the next year or two before we start pushing up quick fix free agents ( obviously I'm not including Lynch in this conversation )

1 ) we won't be a serious threat in Sept inside the next two years at best.
I wouldn't be considering any free agent who we honestly believe may not still be a part of our best 25 in the following three years.

2 ) we have a young list and even some of our 21 year olds have missed a lot of footy from long term injuries. The " worst " thing we could do is to bring in a free agent ( to solve the very short term ) at the expense of one of our younger players missing out on senior experience.

3) historically, it's an area we really haven't got right. My general feeling is that players sometimes drop off when they know it's their last contract and Collingwood in particular seem to have had little return from them.

On a different topic, nearly everyone has correctly identified we are light on a young KPP or two. That's true but I feel we are also in desperate need of introducing some line breaking pace into the team. I reckon we would be one of the slowest leg speed clubs going around. Varcoe, Wells and Treloar are all quick but two of them are over thirty. If we keep our first pick and it's not Brander, I just hope the kid we choose, has some genuine leg speed as part of his tool kit.
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197cm/98kg KPD Lachy Hansen, one of AFL's best intercept marks from 2013-15, will not be offered a new contract by Norf.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-kangaroos--lachlan-hansen

He is an unrestricted FA.

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29/8/17 news:
Lachy Hansen (NM) will NOT be offered a contract (unrestricted FA)
Mitch McGovern (ADE) signs 3 years.
Jasper Pittard (PTA) signs 3 years.
Sam Gray (PTA) signs 2 years.
David Zaharakis signs 4 years.

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Any love for Casboult? Provides a target and may mean we can swing Reed and Moore around when required?
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Haff wrote:
Any love for Casboult? Provides a target and may mean we can swing Reed and Moore around when required?


Personally not a huge fan and would not want to pay much in trade or salary, but some on here have raised his name.

I think we can get better value for money focussing on a defender allowing two of Reid, Goldsack and Moore forward. If we lose Cox then a taller KPF does move up the priority list though.

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MightyMagpie wrote:
Haff wrote:
Any love for Casboult? Provides a target and may mean we can swing Reed and Moore around when required?


Personally not a huge fan and would not want to pay much in trade or salary, but some on here have raised his name.

I think we can get better value for money focussing on a defender allowing two of Reid, Goldsack and Moore forward. If we lose Cox then a taller KPF does move up the priority list though.


Pinch Casboult and the scum will pick best available KP player to replace him.

Our best hope there would be if Gibbs goes to SA and they want a mid. Brisbane will take best available. Suns will look to replace Ablett. North need a midfielder badly. Freo who knows. A ruck a priority as the big bugger won't be there forever ,which is likely to be Sam Hayes as a replacement.

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We won't use pick 78, unless it's for an elevation - and common-sense dictates that, subject to whatever trading we're able to do, we try to package 54 and 59 and trade up to about pick 43 to 45.
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Pies4shaw wrote:
We won't use pick 78, unless it's for an elevation - and common-sense dictates that, subject to whatever trading we're able to do, we try to package 54 and 59 and trade up to about pick 43 to 45.


I believe elevations are now just announced rather than being picked in the draft.

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ad4eva wrote:
The two that draw my attention are Scott Thompson and Jarrad McVeigh.

Thompson hasn't been offered a contract by North, could be a nice back up just like Dunn.

McVeigh is another that has been neglected by his own club. Invaluable experience, a great sweeper to have across half back and could play a roll similar to a James Kelly at Essendon for us.


Scott Thompson will be 32 next season ... doesn't rule him out, but makes it hard to justify a list spot UNLESS he is a clear best 22 player or happy to sit on the rookie list: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-kangaroos--scott-thompson-1

McVeigh will be 33 next season and is 184/82: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-sydney-swans--jarrad-mcveigh Personally, I'd much rather throw gold at old man Hodge if he can be got.

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