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inxs88
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Post subject: Article 2: Recruitment Targets! | |
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Like many would be Pie fan experts, trade season has essentially started and there has never been a more important time for shrewd and measured off season trading. That aside, with what is rumoured to be a tight salary cap, I anticipate at least 8 primary list changes and 3 rookie delistings paving the way for necessary salary cap relief.
Certain departures and approx. salaries:
1. Jesse White: $375,000
2. Jarryd Blair: $325,000
3. Ben Sinclair: $325,000
4. Liam Mackie: n/a
5. Max Lynch: n/a
Likely departures:
6. Ben Crocker: $175,000
7. Brayden Sier: $150,000
8. Lachie Keefe: $150,000
Trade bait:
9. Alex Fasolo: $400,000
10. J. Ramsay: $325,000
11. Mason C: $400,000 (yes he was on this)
12. Adam Oxley: $300,000
So the million dollar questions Hine and Co need to ask and answer are "what" do we need and "how do we go about it". It's often said trade for your current needs and draft for you future needs. Like many Pie fans it's obvious we need:
1. Key forward
2. Key back
3. Classy running lock down small defender
4. An athletic and skilful 3rd tall
5. Small crumbing forward
So there are four pillars available for such a list build namely:
* Free agency
* Trade period and
* National Draft
* Rookie Draft
* De-listed free agents
Let's look at 10 free agents that may/not suit our needs:
1. J. Trengove (Port Adelaide)
26 years of age, this former Victorian is gettable and probably one of the most versatile big men in the league. Can play Ruck, back and forward and having been dropped recently by the Power, may be contemplating a move. Great replacement for big the big Texan Mason if he chooses to leave.
2. Tom Rockliff (Brisbane)
Some may argue he doesn't serve a current need, but reckon we have never really replaced Luke Ball (Taylor Adams aside). An ability to go forward and seemingly removed from on ball duties by Fagan at the Lions, he may prefer a move home to Victoria. Gubby was keen last year (Bux wasn't) however Tom should be acknowledged for his bounce back year as a "team man" and assisting the Lions resurgence. Should be considered.
3. Steven Motlop (Geelong)
You know when Brian Cook tells the media via a pre-match radio interview that he is tradeable, his future at the cattery is limited. Strikes me as a selectively good player but shit bloke!
4. Daniel Menzel (Geelong)
With over 70 goals in last 2 home and away seasons, the Pies could do a lot worse. The Cats are holding out with a view to bringing in Devon Smith and Gary "mercenary" Ablett. Only wants 2 year security and $400,000 which is like Utopia vs what we offered Chris Mayne.
5. Taylor Duryea (Hawks)
Premiership player with a hard streak whom curtailed Jeremy Howe earlier in the year with a forward tagging role. Seems gettable and may solve the backline spot. Gone forward in second half season with good success.
6. Jake Spencer (Demons)
As a back up Ruckman to Grundy if Mason goes. Ungainly is old Jake but back up ruck options are thin.
7. Jarrod McVeigh (Swans)
Yes he is old, yes he won't play in our next Premiership side, he has bad calfs and has slowed down. We need a current/recently played Assistant coach and what better off field and on field example that can bring cultural and professional change to our club. Tick for me!
8. Eric Mackenzie (Eagles)
Fallen off the cliff since his knee injury 2 years ago but was a former All Australian in 2014. Unlikely.
9. Lachie Hansen (Nth Melbourne)
Both now a free agent and a de-listed free agent with the Roos effectively not offering him a new contract. Is it just me and I am the only person who thinks Lachie is and has been a good footballer??
10. David Mundy (Freo)
Flown under the radar but this Docker free agent may want to eek out an extra year/two at a Victorian club given where Freo are placed. Unlikely to be pursued.
Conclusion:
Personally I would hope the Pies strategically target and secure either or all of:
* Trengove
* Rockliff
* Menzel
With consideration given to Duryea and McVeigh. _________________ I love the Pies, hate Carlscum
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Jamesy
Joined: 28 Jan 2017
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Menzel is what we need on that list, INXS88.
Go the Pies! |
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inxs88
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Jamesy wrote: | Menzel is what we need on that list, INXS88.
Go the Pies! |
He is the most gettable. No love from the Cats for him and simply kicks goals! _________________ I love the Pies, hate Carlscum |
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Pa Marmo
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Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Location: Nicks BB member #617
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Menzel applies little to none forward pressure, and flatly refuses to chase. He certainly is a talented goal kicker but so are both of Jamie Elliott and Fas. _________________ Genesis 1:1 |
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qldmagpie67
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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INXS great review mate and a good coverage of what we can land without selling the farm
For mine I would go
Trengrove
Hansen
Then if we had cap space left
Rockliff
Trengrove and Hansen immediately fill gaps we have (2 talls one to go forward one to go back) if Trengrove can pinch hit at FF and Hansen at CHB or FB then we automatically become a more solid spine. It would mean we have time to develop young talls as well and we cover in defence which would be handy given Reid and his body is a unknown quality.
Rockliff has showed great character in taking his dumping as skipper well and playing well in a poor side. We have loads of midfielders but he's a ball winner and decent defensive player
If we can land 2 of these players and still keep our draft pick then we have a decent chance of being a better side immediately whilst still filling the list with good young players |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: Elwood
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Stephen Motlop is a free agent now, isn't he? Can't we get him for nothing other than having to pay his salary? |
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MightyMagpie
Joined: 04 Jun 2013 Location: WA
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Nice write up inx88.
My comments (just on our players for now):
Blair - 50/50 whether delist or kept as depth.
Keeffe - unlikely to be delisted given our tall stocks I would have thought. Possibly rookied if list space becomes an issue.
Crocker and Sier - I suspect you are correct, but if any faith remains maybe they get rookied.
Fasolo - reluctant to trade him UNLESS he has requested a trade home. He is underrated here and despite a less accurate 2017, is generally a very accurate shot on goal. Will benefit from us getting more control of the ball and better delivery (Who won't!). Needs to get on the park for 22 games.
Ramsay - I suspect is more highly rated internally than at other clubs. Coming back off injury is not the best time to trade him value-wise. Was it 2015 or 2016 he played the first 5 games and was in the coach's votes 5 times (something like that).
Oxley - does he hold any trade value? Might get some draft pick scraps from GCS just because he has some AFL experience. Clearly out of favour at the Pies - generally that means little value on the open market. _________________ All We Can Be |
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MightyMagpie
Joined: 04 Jun 2013 Location: WA
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BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | Stephen Motlop is a free agent now, isn't he? Can't we get him for nothing other than having to pay his salary? |
GEELONG
Steven Motlop (restricted)
Daniel Menzel (unrestricted) _________________ All We Can Be |
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Invigoration
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Weird that only 1 of your 'certain' departures is actually certain. _________________ Brown re his GF omission:
"It’s not about me & it never has been. It’s about the team & it’s about Collingwood & it’s about the 22 other blokes out there on the park. That’s all that matters to me" |
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Pies2016
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We need more pace in our team. Speed kills
The only one off that list with pace, is Motlop.
Motlops best and worst are way to far apart. He can't be trusted to contribute on a weekly basis.
Personally, I would put a line through all of them and keep my powder dry for a quality young player who is part of our best 22 for the next 5 years at least.
Obviously you pay a price for quality but you are much more likely for a better return in the process. |
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3rd degree
Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Location: John Wren's tote
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Happy to hear that Wills has been offered a two year deal hopefully he can have a good pre season. _________________ " Ohhh Banksy and out comes the Note Book".
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Damien
Me Noah & Flynn @ the G
Joined: 21 Jan 1999 Location: Croydon Vic
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MightyMagpie wrote: | BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | Stephen Motlop is a free agent now, isn't he? Can't we get him for nothing other than having to pay his salary? |
GEELONG
Steven Motlop (restricted)
Daniel Menzel (unrestricted) |
Motlop? Seriously? No way. _________________ 'Collingwood are the Bradmans of Football'
The Herald - 1930 |
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Culprit
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Port Melbourne
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The Cats could not give away Motlop last year and that included paying half his salary. All the players offered give us nothing in the long term. There is no short term fix here, we are on a rebuild again.
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Pebbles Rocks
Joined: 28 Sep 2008 Location: Collingwood
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Oxley trade bait?
If you consider a shrivelled dry anchovy to be bait.... _________________ "You must be a parking ticket, cuz you got fine written all over you" Glen Quagmire |
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melliot
Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Location: Bendigo
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Culprit wrote: | The Cats could not give away Motlop last year and that included paying half his salary. All the players offered give us nothing in the long term. There is no short term fix here, we are on a rebuild again. |
Agree. We have been half-arse re-building for 4 years and still have too many holes in the best 22 .
Need to draft kids and invest in youth. The odd free agent is ok, but needs to be really a good fit for us.
We are years away from contending now. Just too many list holes to fill (as identified in the OP). Need to build the team around Adams, Treloar, Moore, DeGoey etc. Hopes that Reid, Pendles and Wells are part of our next flag tilt are false hopes now.
It is no good making the same mistakes of the past 4 years. Need to invest heavily in the draft. Cut the list back and that means trading out some players for picks. |
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