Solutions to current defensive dilemma?
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Solutions to current defensive dilemma?
The defensive stocks are at an all time low with injuries to Brown, Reid and Sinclair. Marley is gone for foreseeable future, Heater permanently departed. Keefe has been on the outer for a while now and lacks form and for some reason, the confidence of the match selection committee and the coach. The development of Frost is pleasing, as is the return of Maxwell to his favoured third man up, floating defender role. Nevertheless, how do we cover the current losses, from what many already considered a shaky defense?
Yes Goldy can go back and sure up our defense but what other positional changes can we make to ensure our defensive structures function at the optimum operational capacity with the personnel we currently have?
I know its early days but could we turn White into a swingman capable of playing key positions at both ends of the ground ala Ben Reid, if he struggles playing purely as a forward/ruck as Dawes and Q have? In the long run could this move work to our benefit as opposition team would not know who would be joining Cloke in attack?
Is a defense with a combination of Clarke, Armstrong and Young just too soft?
Does H do the lambada back to the back 6?
If Marley receives a custodial sentence can we bust him out, put him on a yacht and have him return to the backline wearing a wig, under an assumed name like Tony Mokbel?
Other suggestions?
Yes Goldy can go back and sure up our defense but what other positional changes can we make to ensure our defensive structures function at the optimum operational capacity with the personnel we currently have?
I know its early days but could we turn White into a swingman capable of playing key positions at both ends of the ground ala Ben Reid, if he struggles playing purely as a forward/ruck as Dawes and Q have? In the long run could this move work to our benefit as opposition team would not know who would be joining Cloke in attack?
Is a defense with a combination of Clarke, Armstrong and Young just too soft?
Does H do the lambada back to the back 6?
If Marley receives a custodial sentence can we bust him out, put him on a yacht and have him return to the backline wearing a wig, under an assumed name like Tony Mokbel?
Other suggestions?
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1) Keefe clearly needs to come back
2) Frost is good and will get better so that is fantastic...
3) Maxwell did well as the loose man - still reads the ball so well - but overall it only worked when we looked for short options when moving the ball up forward rather than long bombs to Cloke!
4) Tooves is there but very quiet - due to show up soon!
5) Langdon has been good, has pace and guts - he has to be in the mix given how comfortable he looks out there.
6) Last spot probably needs to be Clinton Young if Marley does not come back... I would like to see Young take the kick outs even if Marley returns and Young plays on the wing.
Defence with Clarke, Young and Armstrong - no
White going back - no
Goldy back if needed - yes
mids -including H- to help out - YES!
Mooney to play the running sinkers role - maybe?
B Maxy, Frost, Tooves
HB Langdon, Keefe, Young
2) Frost is good and will get better so that is fantastic...
3) Maxwell did well as the loose man - still reads the ball so well - but overall it only worked when we looked for short options when moving the ball up forward rather than long bombs to Cloke!
4) Tooves is there but very quiet - due to show up soon!
5) Langdon has been good, has pace and guts - he has to be in the mix given how comfortable he looks out there.
6) Last spot probably needs to be Clinton Young if Marley does not come back... I would like to see Young take the kick outs even if Marley returns and Young plays on the wing.
Defence with Clarke, Young and Armstrong - no
White going back - no
Goldy back if needed - yes
mids -including H- to help out - YES!
Mooney to play the running sinkers role - maybe?
B Maxy, Frost, Tooves
HB Langdon, Keefe, Young
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Just keep pumping games into Langdon and Frost - 'tis the season.
Keeffe needs a game in the senior side in defence - the last time he played there we won. Stuff VFL form or his failings as a secret weapon CHF.
Would be good to see Oxley, Ramsay and/or Broomhead out there soon
Keeffe needs a game in the senior side in defence - the last time he played there we won. Stuff VFL form or his failings as a secret weapon CHF.
Would be good to see Oxley, Ramsay and/or Broomhead out there soon
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In terms of personnel, I don't think the missing defenders is a critical issue. Yes, we are missing many, but we have a large number of options and they're all of a similar level.
A backline of Keeffe, Frost, Maxwell, Toovey, Young, Langdon is still decent from a personnel point (the surprise form of Langdon is a help). The main problem is that they haven't played together a lot and some are very inexperienced.
We will also have Sidebottom, Goldsack and possibly Harry spending some time down back.
Then there's Fasolo, Sinclair, Seedsman, Brown, Reid, Oxley, Ramsay, Broomhead, Williams, Scharenberg, Armstrong, Mooney and I'm sure I've missed a few.
That's a lot of players who could possibly play in defense. Few of these players are standouts, but all have some potential.
A backline of Keeffe, Frost, Maxwell, Toovey, Young, Langdon is still decent from a personnel point (the surprise form of Langdon is a help). The main problem is that they haven't played together a lot and some are very inexperienced.
We will also have Sidebottom, Goldsack and possibly Harry spending some time down back.
Then there's Fasolo, Sinclair, Seedsman, Brown, Reid, Oxley, Ramsay, Broomhead, Williams, Scharenberg, Armstrong, Mooney and I'm sure I've missed a few.
That's a lot of players who could possibly play in defense. Few of these players are standouts, but all have some potential.
Well done boys!
There are 5 reasons why our defence will be fine.
1. Toovey should gradually get better week by week after missing a year out of the game.
2. Keeffe is a very good full back, where he played his best footy last year, before injuring his knee.
3. Sidebottom can be used mainly in defence until (hopefully) Marley Williams returns.
4. Young (despite my reservations about his lack of physicality) is the perfect player to be kicking out from full back.
5. Frost will only get better and better. We have found a real gem with this kid.
In a few weeks we should get back Reid (who can be used forward or back), Sinclair and Seedsman.
Hopefully in the 2nd half of the season we might also see Sharenberg and Marley Williams come into the team.
1. Toovey should gradually get better week by week after missing a year out of the game.
2. Keeffe is a very good full back, where he played his best footy last year, before injuring his knee.
3. Sidebottom can be used mainly in defence until (hopefully) Marley Williams returns.
4. Young (despite my reservations about his lack of physicality) is the perfect player to be kicking out from full back.
5. Frost will only get better and better. We have found a real gem with this kid.
In a few weeks we should get back Reid (who can be used forward or back), Sinclair and Seedsman.
Hopefully in the 2nd half of the season we might also see Sharenberg and Marley Williams come into the team.
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Murphy's Law applies to our back six. The area of the team that can least afford injuries and down go Broomhead, Reid, Sinkers, Seedsman and Brown. Williams is a huge loss. Rudeboy is right though; we can cover the losses for a few weeks and then things look OK and the development of the young boys will sit pretty well in the second half of the year.
Fasolo and Lumumba can play back at a pinch. We know H can and maybe Faz will develop a defensive mindset, but I have doubts about this move being a success. Let's not forget that we have a 'defender' who can pin-point a pass over the defences of the opposition consistently, in Young.
Realistically, the club would be aiming top 8 as a pass mark and if the year leads to games being put into a batch of young potential guns, then the future is looking bright.
Scharenberg will be icing on the cake in 2015.
Fasolo and Lumumba can play back at a pinch. We know H can and maybe Faz will develop a defensive mindset, but I have doubts about this move being a success. Let's not forget that we have a 'defender' who can pin-point a pass over the defences of the opposition consistently, in Young.
Realistically, the club would be aiming top 8 as a pass mark and if the year leads to games being put into a batch of young potential guns, then the future is looking bright.
Scharenberg will be icing on the cake in 2015.
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swoop42 wrote:Which is the better back line?
The available:
Toovey, Keeffe, Maxwell
Langdon, Frost, Young
Or the unavailable:
Sinclair, Brown, Oxley
Williams, Reid, Seedsman
The unavailables are better on paper and have a proven track record, with the exception of Oxley, the availables aren't too far behind but if Frost and Langdon fall away from current form then the difference is more striking
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