The 2021 Great Big Consolidated Trade & Draft thread

[5:11pm]

^ ok champ.
Let’s see what happens

You seem more than willing to dismiss everyone’s suggestions regarding fringe players and mature age forwards, but unable to answer a simple question.

Who plays KPF if Checkers goes down?

It’s a fair question but conversely, what is it that makes anyone believe Weed, Finlayson, Riccardi or any third round trade swap who isnt getting a game at their current club, would be the solution as a K P F ?

F W I W, when it comes to K P Fs, I would take quality over quantity any day and the last four flags suggest exactly that. You might win an extra game or two with these guys but you won’t win a flag with any of them as a main target.

Totally agree, but we’re not in flag contention.

If we can score a big body at a cheap price to split packs, halve contests, bring the ball to ground, and allow our kids to develop at their own pace over the next few seasons, hopefully one of them will be in the position to assume the mantle, or we’ll have the cash in the coffers to land a big fish.

[Pies2016]

^ ^ ^’
Just a short list of KPFs who have found new homes in recent years - Daniher, Wright, Hogan Patton Brown Lynch Schache Bruce and Cameron
You won’t have to wait long but you will have to wait for the right one ( s )
And if you don’t save your pennies along the way, then you will continue to miss out …. again.

[Piesnchess]

ED Richards from the doggies cant get a game now, it seems, be good to get him to the Pies, can really play, be nice to come home to his family name club, where his great uncle was such a legend.

[SwansWay]

Never dismiss fringe players or unknown quantities from other leagues. I seem to recall a rookie listed KPD recruited as backup almost took us to a flag as a viable KPF when we were in a real pinch. Wright’s no dummy so I wouldn’t worry about him bringing in list cloggers.

[SwansWay]

ED Richards from the doggies cant get a game now, it seems, be good to get him to the Pies, can really play, be nice to come home to his family name club, where his great uncle was such a legend.

Think he just inked a two year deal at the Doggies.

[Rd10.1998_11.1#36]

^ Yes, 3 weeks ago

[MJ23]

^ ok champ.
Let’s see what happens

You seem more than willing to dismiss everyone’s suggestions regarding fringe players and mature age forwards, but unable to answer a simple question.

Who plays KPF if Checkers goes down?

It’s a fair question but conversely, what is it that makes anyone believe Weed, Finlayson, Riccardi or any third round trade swap who isnt getting a game at their current club, would be the solution as a K P F ?

F W I W, when it comes to K P Fs, I would take quality over quantity any day and the last four flags suggest exactly that. You might win an extra game or two with these guys but you won’t win a flag with any of them as a main target.

Im not against bringing in a targeted short term player for a specific reason.
Lynch would suits this. I also really like Brander.

Im not against getting Weid however I am against over paying for any of these types. Weid wouldn't be short term but Dees will want more than we should give. And he WONT solve the problem if Checkers is injured.

Im absolutely with pies2016. While we want to manage the kids games we still need to play them and quantities of mediocre players do more harm than good.

Currently if Checkers goes down we have Cameron, Kelly,Max Lynch Begg, Mcmahon ( kids gotta play some games). We can also play WHE, Keane, Willson.

But I dont know that you would stick with that traditional set-up. Dogs 2016 flag team had one massive tall ( who played a lot in the ruck) and a whole heap of 190+cm elite seniors and kids.

Also as Pies 2016 said - good forwards will move. I think we will be too late for King form GC BUT - the Kings took 2-3 years and McKay's 4-5 years to play to the current level.

[MJ23]

Never dismiss fringe players or unknown quantities from other leagues. I seem to recall a rookie listed KPD recruited as backup almost took us to a flag as a viable KPF when we were in a real pinch. Wright’s no dummy so I wouldn’t worry about him bringing in list cloggers.

Yep - end of day I trust what Wright will do with the new coaching group. May not see the total picture this year but we get the best player in the draft and thats exciting in itself.

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

I agree with everything being said above, but I think it’s a pipe dream that we’re ever going to get King down from the Gold Coast. There was only one opportunity to get him and that was a couple of years ago when Treloar had currency, but he refused to go up and now it’s all water under the bridge. If we can’t get a KPF then the only route ahead for us is to either draft one or grow one from our current list. I don’t think there’s any other way.

[5:11pm]

He's out of contract and was on the Blues rookie list this year.

I doubt it would take much to pry him out

I think it was Pies2016 who said we should be looking for players who have shown they can play at this level, and Kennedy seems to have stepped it up this year.

He's a big bodied inside mid, a 2-3 year contract on a moderate wage should at least buy inside support while the younger players develop

Had a bit of hype about him when drafted.
How did he end up on the Rookie list?

[dalyc]

Lynch from Adelaide would seem to fill the KPF role albeit it in the short term.
He has experience, size and is a delisted free agent.
I would seriously consider someone like him as a short term option until the salary cap frees up to allow us to pursue a longer term option.

Lynch on $250,000 a year combining both on field and coaching duties would be a bargain. Reckon he has 30-40 games in him and could be a bridge whilst Henry, Johnson, McCreery and Ginnivan emerge physically.

Smart, capable and accomplished.
Put him on the wish list!

Just to play devils advocate… what about Walker?!!

In the wake of Do Better, not a chance.

[Piesnchess]

WE will be a pretty young team, as i have a feeling both Thomas and WHE may well be delisted, they have had enough chances. Cox may retire, who knows ? But, we cant be too young, so we definitely need to recruit a couple of senior experienced players, like that Taliah, perhaps ?

[SwansWay]

WE will be a pretty young team, as i have a feeling both Thomas and WHE may well be delisted, they have had enough chances. Cox may retire, who knows ? But, we cant be too young, so we definitely need to recruit a couple of senior experienced players, like that Taliah, perhaps ?

After oscillating a lot on that topic, I think WHE and Thomas have value, provided we improve as a team. I think they're the kind of players that play well in a better team and I do love WHE's slick ball use (which can be seldom when he goes missing). Hence why they were so potent in 2018. WHE is a classic 10-15 possession player. I'd prefer to see him get those touches closer to goal, not in defence.

We need some bigger bodies around for sure. Lipinski would immediately make us a little better IMHO. If we can get a semi-competent KPF into the side who can halve contests and crash packs, then it should make Checkers more effective too. He's been a trooper holding up our forward line by himself. He cops an absolute battering some games and never leaves the field (except one time from memory).

[Pies2016]

Here’s my wish list and it comes with obvious restraints as to who I would like to us target as a KPF during this off season. Callum Coleman - Jones.
This guy ticks all the following boxes. Out of contract, versatile, 22 years old, 100 kilos, 200cm, performs well when selected but gets little opportunity because of quality in front of him. Has definite upside and upside comes at a cost but the cost is manageable.
I’m a lot more comfortable giving up a bit more for Coleman - Jones than I am giving up less for Weideman.
Most on here have Cox and Lynch moving on, so Coleman - Jones automatically fits both an option B ruck need and a genuine key forward threat. He’s probably worth our future second rounder ( give or take )
His contract would be reasonable but I’m imagining less than Cox for a start.
Any potential interest probably depends on two factors. Firstly, what McRae thinks of him and secondly, whether Marbir Chol stays or goes.
So let’s at least spend our energy on a player who contributes in two areas of the ground, especially if we’re planning to move Cox and / or Lynch on.

[SteveH67]

To finish 2nd last this season, and now with a new coach and coaching panel, we have to trade out players to get ourselves back up the order.

Whilst we have Nick Daicos coming on board as the F/S (and supposedly No1 pick in the draft based on talent) our 1st pick at the moment is 34.

Not sure how good the draft talent is this year, given COVID impact for the past two seasons, but we need to improve our list immeasurably with KP talent.