The 2021 Great Big Consolidated Trade & Draft thread

[themonk]

WE will be a pretty young team, as i have a feeling both Thomas and WHE may well be delisted, they have had enough chances. Cox may retire, who knows ? But, we cant be too young, so we definitely need to recruit a couple of senior experienced players, like that Taliah, perhaps ?

Am I the only one who thinks Thomas and WHE had pretty good 2021 seasons? Why should we let them go?

Thomas I think was good, particularly back half.
I think WHE was up and down. I beleive its how we used him in the team. Looking forward to see what McRae does with him.

Thomas kicked 12 goals for the entire season, averaged 13 disposals along with 3 tackles per game.

The kid is on fire!

[MJ23]

Am I the only one who thinks Thomas and WHE had pretty good 2021 seasons? Why should we let them go?

Thomas I think was good, particularly back half.
I think WHE was up and down. I beleive its how we used him in the team. Looking forward to see what McRae does with him.

Thomas kicked 12 goals for the entire season, averaged 13 disposals along with 3 tackles per game.

The kid is on fire!

Yet 10 of those goals came from his last 9 games and he averaged 15 disposals a game. He also averaged 18 pressure acts the same as Beau which is a great effort for both given the ball didn't go up there much.
Not elite but can work with it.

[5:11pm]

Am I the only one who thinks Thomas and WHE had pretty good 2021 seasons? Why should we let them go?

Thomas I think was good, particularly back half.
I think WHE was up and down. I beleive its how we used him in the team. Looking forward to see what McRae does with him.

Thomas kicked 12 goals for the entire season, averaged 13 disposals along with 3 tackles per game.

The kid is on fire!

Not to mention running away from packs, shirking the contest, and showing little to no support for Ginny, and Beau the pressure machine.

We should expect more from a senior player.

[themonk]

Thomas I think was good, particularly back half.
I think WHE was up and down. I beleive its how we used him in the team. Looking forward to see what McRae does with him.

Thomas kicked 12 goals for the entire season, averaged 13 disposals along with 3 tackles per game.

The kid is on fire!

Not to mention running away from packs, shirking the contest, and showing little to no support for Ginny, and Beau the pressure machine.

We should expect more from a senior player.

Josh should have been dropped in early 2020. Frustrating if he plays next year and we continue to keep some of our young guns in the reserves.

[Pies2016]

Thomas I think was good, particularly back half.
I think WHE was up and down. I beleive its how we used him in the team. Looking forward to see what McRae does with him.

Thomas kicked 12 goals for the entire season, averaged 13 disposals along with 3 tackles per game.

The kid is on fire!

Yet 10 of those goals came from his last 9 games and he averaged 15 disposals a game. He also averaged 18 pressure acts the same as Beau which is a great effort for both given the ball didn't go up there much.
Not elite but can work with it.

I’ve never knocked the guy and I’m not going to start now because throughout his career, he’s had his moments and also came back a better footballer after his past indiscretion.
The game has changed and I’m not convinced Thomas is in a position to change with it. Tactics and strategies revolve around creating mismatches and exploiting oppositions weaknesses. Good teams are playing and developing hybrid flankers who are quick, tall and strong in the contest. These type of players are well prepared to play on anyone of 3 or 4 opponents, so the opposition has more trouble exploiting them.
Thomas had a solid half season under Harvey but he’s not tall, he’s not quick and he’s not strong ( overhead ) He also isn’t capable of extended periods in the midfield, so he’s pigeon holed as a permanent half forward.
My best guess would also be that Pendlebury, Sidey and a Lipinski type ( ? ) would have spells at half forward, so those players alone bring more to the table than Thomas.
If Thomas should stay on, ( with a one year incentive based contract ) and continue to get a game most weeks in 2022, then that says to me no one forward of centre has either improved their footy or been traded in by the time we kick off next year. I don’t see that happening.

[Rd10.1998_11.1#36]

Whilst we have Nick Daicos coming on board as the F/S (and supposedly No1 pick in the draft based on talent) our 1st pick at the moment is 34

We won’t be drafting anyone with pick 34 because we need that and the other 3 picks we currently have to match points on Daicos. Even if he drops to 3rd we’re still a little short. So to avoid a points deficit in the next draft we need to be bringing picks in for him, and also our NGA target Youseph Dib

[Magpie Russ]

If we like someone in the draft - it would happen via a Live trade on draft night after the Nick Daicos business is done. Where would give up a future 2nd round for example.

There are some WA talls that may be worth a look - I am told.

[5:11pm]

Thomas kicked 12 goals for the entire season, averaged 13 disposals along with 3 tackles per game.

The kid is on fire!

Yet 10 of those goals came from his last 9 games and he averaged 15 disposals a game. He also averaged 18 pressure acts the same as Beau which is a great effort for both given the ball didn't go up there much.
Not elite but can work with it.

I’ve never knocked the guy and I’m not going to start now because throughout his career, he’s had his moments and also came back a better footballer after his past indiscretion.
The game has changed and I’m not convinced Thomas is in a position to change with it. Tactics and strategies revolve around creating mismatches and exploiting oppositions weaknesses. Good teams are playing and developing hybrid flankers who are quick, tall and strong in the contest. These type of players are well prepared to play on anyone of 3 or 4 opponents, so the opposition has more trouble exploiting them.
Thomas had a solid half season under Harvey but he’s not tall, he’s not quick and he’s not strong ( overhead ) He also isn’t capable of extended periods in the midfield, so he’s pigeon holed as a permanent half forward.
My best guess would also be that Pendlebury, Sidey and a Lipinski type ( ? ) would have spells at half forward, so those players alone bring more to the table than Thomas.
If Thomas should stay on, ( with a one year incentive based contract ) and continue to get a game most weeks in 2022, then that says to me no one forward of centre has either improved their footy or been traded in by the time we kick off next year. I don’t see that happening.

Well said.

It would definitely be nice to see Pendles and/or Sidey being able to spend some extended time in the forward line.

McRae was a selfless, opportunistic, goal kicking animal in his playing days. He shouldn’t miss a beat when assessing Thomas’s contribution to the team.

[BazBoy]

There appears some experienced players (some around mid 20,s others older)
Dogs are trying to keep Lipinski but told Mitch Wallis to explore other options

[Pies2016]

If we like someone in the draft - it would happen via a Live trade on draft night after the Nick Daicos business is done. Where would give up a future 2nd round for example.

There are some WA talls that may be worth a look - I am told.

Given that Sam Darcy isn’t a live pick, you are correct about the crop of WA talls that are reasonably well rated. They will likely go between 10 and 25 odd, so swapping back in could potentially remain problematic. I get the feeling some of our 2021 trade period ( pre draft ) currency will come from our futures, simply because we have little else to offer up ( quality Pies players aside )

[5:11pm]

There appears some experienced players (some around mid 20,s others older)
Dogs are trying to keep Lipinski but told Mitch Wallis to explore other options

Word is both will leave the Dogs…

[Dave The Man]

https://twitter.com/AFL/status/14348030 ... _&ref_url=

[BazBoy]

Lipinski is 23 but Wallis 28. Thing is we are skint on experience to get kids the game day know how

Maybe not a Mitch Wallis but a game hardened player to teach on the day running patterns and other vagaries of AFL

[MJ23]

Thomas kicked 12 goals for the entire season, averaged 13 disposals along with 3 tackles per game.

The kid is on fire!

Yet 10 of those goals came from his last 9 games and he averaged 15 disposals a game. He also averaged 18 pressure acts the same as Beau which is a great effort for both given the ball didn't go up there much.
Not elite but can work with it.

I’ve never knocked the guy and I’m not going to start now because throughout his career, he’s had his moments and also came back a better footballer after his past indiscretion.
The game has changed and I’m not convinced Thomas is in a position to change with it. Tactics and strategies revolve around creating mismatches and exploiting oppositions weaknesses. Good teams are playing and developing hybrid flankers who are quick, tall and strong in the contest. These type of players are well prepared to play on anyone of 3 or 4 opponents, so the opposition has more trouble exploiting them.
Thomas had a solid half season under Harvey but he’s not tall, he’s not quick and he’s not strong ( overhead ) He also isn’t capable of extended periods in the midfield, so he’s pigeon holed as a permanent half forward.
My best guess would also be that Pendlebury, Sidey and a Lipinski type ( ? ) would have spells at half forward, so those players alone bring more to the table than Thomas.
If Thomas should stay on, ( with a one year incentive based contract ) and continue to get a game most weeks in 2022, then that says to me no one forward of centre has either improved their footy or been traded in by the time we kick off next year. I don’t see that happening.

Agree with that. Best case he ends up pushed out by a kid stepping up. Worse case he plays games with a mature body - filling a specific role the coach asks - to protect the kids development.
I’d prefer him over a number of players from other teams suggested. Except Lipinski - I rate him.

[Jezza]

Lipinski would be a great recruit. Helps bolster our midfield and would be a part of our long-term plans.

Getting Tom Lynch as a delisted free agent would be handy while the likes of Henry, McCreery and Ginnivan are still developing.

I know the club has had big wraps on Dylan Stephens from the Swans as well. The Swans have major salary cap issues so they will be looking to offload a few players to ease those constraints.