Australia's iconic airline on life support

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:04 pm

^ yep very facetious of me
we all know its a coalition - unions / greens

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:15 pm

sq3 wrote:B&W - I don't Stui is union bashing and we would not want to work where the employer has total control - just as we don't want to return to the old BLF era.

The hard part is to find the common middle ground where everyone is happy.

I still find it hard to understand how I can get a flight to JFK and my bags are at the carousel (or a max of 1 minute late) when I get there - yet I always have to wait up to 30 minutes on an Australian domestic flight.

Last flight to the USA - after getting through customs in LA (5 min) bags were there in 2 min (7 min all up).

Flight back to Brisbane - 15 min to get through customs and 20 min waiting for bags (35 in all up).

How can the USA baggage handlers get it right and the Australian ones get it just so wrong ???

Should try this airline:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZzefRR0 ... re=related

Non union labour below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOP9fwnE ... re=related

Joyce's new budgetary savings measures:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFNLYnVO ... re=related

Black_White · Post by **Black_White** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:54 pm

Cheap pilots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=e1cpaCpYp3A

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:07 pm

To ensure that Qantas shareholders get their divedends & Joyce gets his bonuses, the Qantas staff when sacked / retrenched could consider a career in Customs:

(poor audio however):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Jf3ilSSqg

Pied Piper · Post by **Pied Piper** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:18 am

MJ23 wrote:^ yep very facetious of me
we all know its a coalition - unions / greens

Try thinking a bit harder.

Black_White · Post by **Black_White** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:19 am

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:49 pm

Pied Piper wrote:
MJ23 wrote:^ yep very facetious of me
we all know its a coalition - unions / greens
Try thinking a bit harder.

sorry, couple of halfwitt nutcase independents also have a say.
either way, they are all doing a great job !
cant wait for the next choreographed finger pointing response to another disaster they didnt see coming.

Post by **stui magpie** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:07 pm

Nice article on Alan Joyce.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-n ... 6186665598

A couple of interesting insights:

IT WAS not the smell of avgas or the glamour of flying that lured a young Alan Joyce into aviation. It was pure nerdiness.

Joyce - son of a Dublin cleaner and factory worker - had never been on a plane until his first job as an Aer Lingus operations research analyst when he was 22.

Alan Joyce is a proud leftie and lifelong Labor voter. Or he was up until this week.

After being excoriated by Labor politicians at all levels, and even compared with Richard Nixon by one, Joyce said he might be reconsidering his loyalties.

"I've always been progressive in terms of my politics," he said.

"I'm very passionate about reconciliation, social awareness.

"I've been very liberal with a small 'l' on everything and in terms of how I've voted it would have always been on the left of politics."

Joyce would like to clear one thing up. He's not anti-union. In fact, as the son of proud workers, he joined the Clerical Services Union as a young Aer Lingus staffer, about the same time he took that first flight.

"I was 22 and I flew from Dublin to Chicago. I was lucky. My first flight was business class, because I was working for the airline.

"I do think unions have a role to play. There are a lot of good unions out there that do the right things and do make a difference. I'm not, and I'm never going to be, anti-union. I'm pro-Qantas. That takes a bigger right over anything I feel about unions."

Portrait of an evil right wing bastard keen to bully the workers?

Despite his huge salary, Joyce said he was fundamentally frugal.

"He's still a working-class boy," said one of Joyce's staunchest supporters, former defence force chief and Qantas board member General Peter Cosgrove.

"People become fixated on his appointment and his ($5 million) remuneration and probably think he's some kind of silvertail," he said.

"Alan Joyce came from a working-class background and dragged himself up through a career. He's a very clever, very compassionate and very talented man who is doing a great job as the CEO."

Or portrait of a normal working class bloke with the necessary mixture of talent and ambition to work his way to the top?

No old boy private school connections, no inherited wealth, just hard work. This is the kind of bloke people should be looking up to as a role model instead of bagging him for his "obscene" salary.

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:01 pm

^ ah shit Stu
far too many facts there

Pied Piper · Post by **Pied Piper** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:25 pm

Post by **stui magpie** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:08 am

No doubt we have a clash of values. I don't have a major problem with Joyce getting a payrise. His salary is comparable with ther CEO's in similar size industries and he didn't give it to himself, the board did and it was ratified at a shareholders meeting.

Re the puff piece, that it may be but it still makes good reading of his background.

Isn't he an example of the exact kind of thing you would want to see be able to happen? Someone from a working class background be able to aspire to one of the top jobs in the country with no "Class collusion"?

Black_White · Post by **Black_White** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:44 pm

You need to watch more Gruen stui
Everything you posted about Joyce is exactly what the advertising guru's recommended be done to get him out of the shite
I reckon I might start saying i am a life long liberal voter, after all rewriting history is that easy

Post by **stui magpie** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:11 pm

Black_White wrote:You need to watch more Gruen stui
Everything you posted about Joyce is exactly what the advertising guru's recommended be done to get him out of the shite
I reckon I might start saying i am a life long liberal voter, after all rewriting history is that easy

Does that make it less true?

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:30 pm

stui magpie wrote:No doubt we have a clash of values. I don't have a major problem with Joyce getting a payrise. His salary is comparable with ther CEO's in similar size industries and he didn't give it to himself, the board did and it was ratified at a shareholders meeting.

Re the puff piece, that it may be but it still makes good reading of his background.

Isn't he an example of the exact kind of thing you would want to see be able to happen? Someone from a working class background be able to aspire to one of the top jobs in the country with no "Class collusion"?

You know what ex-smokers are like Stui?!

John Howard was far worse but that's another story!

The artilce was like reading the footy record section of a players favourites - about as analytical as well IMO!

Post by **stui magpie** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:38 pm

LOL, I know what ex-smokers are like, I've been one several times.

Try this one then. It's in the Aged so it must be accurate.

http://www.theage.com.au/travel/blogs/t ... 1n2ta.html

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Australia's iconic airline on life support