Collingwood must request a "please explain Geish"

ANNODAM · Post by **ANNODAM** » Sat May 05, 2012 12:18 pm

mattys123 wrote:As I've said, we will always get a raw deal because these umpires grew up watching the game, and unless they barracked for us they hate our guts, just like everyone else does.

This, plus shit!

ronrat · Post by **ronrat** » Sat May 05, 2012 1:22 pm

I don't understand how we can have an umpires coach for that long. Get someone new FFS. A failed player and coach is not working. And kick that old bastard Fartlett off the rules committee. The free against keefe was abysmal and should deserve a spell in the ressies for the scump.

Brenny · Post by **Brenny** » Sat May 05, 2012 1:38 pm

Issue in my books is, these umpires need to be 200k a year to be full time. Some of them like McBurney (apparently) are paid about 150k a year in their normal jobs.

Pay them well, have them full time so they can all get on the same page.

Yes the umpiring can be horrible, but in a professional competition where the sportsmen are paid well and it's massive business, the days of armature umpires is kind of antiquated.

Member 7167 · Post by **Member 7167** » Sat May 05, 2012 1:57 pm

Brenny wrote:Issue in my books is, these umpires need to be 200k a year to be full time. Some of them like McBurney (apparently) are paid about 150k a year in their normal jobs.

Pay them well, have them full time so they can all get on the same page.

Yes the umpiring can be horrible, but in a professional competition where the sportsmen are paid well and it's massive business, the days of armature umpires is kind of antiquated.

On top of that there should be a bonus system that rewards consistency and quality decisions for each and every game. Base of $150 with the opportunity for a further $100k of bonuses per year.

duggieboy · Post by **duggieboy** » Sat May 05, 2012 2:13 pm

^^

This makes a lot of sense, member.

Surely not too difficult for the AFL to implement.

rocketronnie · Post by **rocketronnie** » Sat May 05, 2012 2:15 pm

ronrat wrote:I don't understand how we can have an umpires coach for that long. Get someone new FFS. A failed player and coach is not working. And kick that old bastard Fartlett off the rules committee. The free against keefe was abysmal and should deserve a spell in the ressies for the scump.

+1.

rocketronnie · Post by **rocketronnie** » Sat May 05, 2012 2:18 pm

I don't normally mention umpires but that was a shocking display. The bouncing all night was abysmal bu that worked against both sides. The judgements on frees or non-frees was outrageous. Dawes was consistently held by the arm in marking contests but not one free called. I hope the club reports this performance back to the AFL.

Brenny · Post by **Brenny** » Sat May 05, 2012 2:23 pm

^ I don't reckon they will, simply because it didn't affect the outcome of the game.

The umpiring isn't all that crash at the best of times and last night was probably, in my opinion, the worst since the West Coast V Melbourne game.

Had we lost by a kick or so, then yes I'd say ask for a please explain, but because we won, then let it go I think.

Surely, it will come up at training for the men in green this week and be mentioned.

As with the past, you get an over officiated game on a Friday, the Sat through Sun is usually very different.

Scotch · Post by **Scotch** » Sat May 05, 2012 2:29 pm

Last years Umpire Appreciation Round was just as terrible, I personally think the occasion makes them feel like they are entitled to influence the contest and they either subconsciously or consciously do it.

Raw Hammer · Post by **Raw Hammer** » Sat May 05, 2012 3:12 pm

Watching the cats vs demons game today, the umpires are going out of their way to FIND free kicks for Geelong inside F50 (see Bartel's 'push in the back' and Podsiadly's ludicrous free just before half time). Compare that sh!t to our team who have to be stabbed or shot to even get a look in from an umpire in front of goal. I'd love to see our free kicks FOR inside 35.

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Sat May 05, 2012 3:19 pm

we had only 7 frees for 3 and a bit qtrs. this in a game where the dogs lay 70 tackles and 156 contested pos. Now this could make sence if the frees were similar the other way but 21 ????
I dont care what side of footy you sit, they were given soft free kicks - some of which were there - but the same free kicks were not paid to us.
The incident where Reid was slammed back in a contest, the hit to clokes head front on in a marking contest and the keefe decision ????
You know we are getting shafted when even the comentators dont mention the free kick count.
These umpires were the worst kind, they were inconsistant and they did not perform their jobs. They should be dropped all of them

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Sat May 05, 2012 3:22 pm

Raw Hammer wrote:It was really 21-7 frees in my book. They always try to level it when the game's done. Prior to Harry's goal they paid an unnecessary free (advantage) behind play to Goldsack, and did so in defensive 50 in the dying stages when we already had the ball free, to try to 'square the ledger'. Oh, and count how long Maxwell had to release the ball in the final minutes after a mark...5 freakin' seconds!!! Count it. He marked at 0:50 on the clock, and was called for play-on at the 0:45. WTF?!?

I've watched the game TWICE now. I still get angry at the non-calls to Collingwood. It is seriously cheating, whether sub-conscious or other. We must work twice as hard to win games of footy. We didn't notice it last year so much cos we were smashing teams. No matter what the umpires did, we were too good. Now, a closer contest, and their influence is back on show for all to see.

exactly right . This post was spot on.
I knew the count at 7 and looked at the frees after that and they were all bullshit - that is we already and won the ball the free was not an advantage.

King Monkey · Post by **King Monkey** » Sat May 05, 2012 3:22 pm

Charity for the poorer clubs has apparently spread to on-field.......

That was an absolute disgrace last night!!!!!!!!

If anyone thinks the umpires don't cheat - the pr!ck was looking straight at Minson's arm when he threw it, from about 20mtrs away and called "play-on". I couldn't believe my eyes.

jack_spain · Post by **jack_spain** » Sat May 05, 2012 3:30 pm

ronrat wrote:I don't understand how we can have an umpires coach for that long. Get someone new FFS. A failed player and coach is not working. And kick that old bastard Fartlett off the rules committee.

This should be framed and made an article of agreement before anyone signs up for Nick's.

jackcass · Post by **jackcass** » Sat May 05, 2012 3:49 pm

I'm a reluctant umpire bashers and I actually thought the majority of the frees the doggies got were actually there, a few that were 50/50.

The issue is the Collingwood players weren't offered the same level of protection by the umps and it was blatantly obvious.

Clearly the doggies have a greater appreciation than we do.

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Collingwood must request a "please explain Geish"