How to annoy a creationist: feathered dinosaurs

[David]

[Tannin]

Fun article from the US about dinosaurs and the immortal young-earth creationist lobby

Oh David, how could you make such an obvious mistake? Don't you ever check for typos? The word is spelt with a double "r", not "rt".

[stui magpie]

LOL,

I confess that i find it amazing that there are people who genuinely believe the Earth and everything around it was created on a whim by an immortal deity and ignore Darwins theory and all the other scientific evidence completely.

I'd love to see someone come out with a theory that could co exist with both religious people and scientists but both would probably argue against it.

[HAL]

[David]

LOL,

I confess that i find it amazing that there are people who genuinely believe the Earth and everything around it was created on a whim by an immortal deity and ignore Darwins theory and all the other scientific evidence completely.

I'd love to see someone come out with a theory that could co exist with both religious people and scientists but both would probably argue against it.

I reckon there's already such a theory, and it's quite widespread. If you generally accept the validity of the scientific process while acknowledging that there may still be a metaphysical realm of some kind out of our current understandings (both sensible presumptions), any non-literalist religious belief becomes plausible, at least in some sense.

[stui magpie]

Yup.

Accept the science and accept that the old testament is parables not a documentary and religion and science can coexist on a number of levels.

[Tannin]

I'd love to see someone come out with a theory that could co exist with both religious people and scientists but both would probably argue against it.

Oh, this exists, Stui, and is by far the most widely supported view amongst Christians worldwide. Whether you ask the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury (or most other Christian leaders), you will get much the same answer: no-one outside the loopy nutcase fringe denies natural evolution; the creation account in Genesis is, according to mainstream Christian thought, allegorical and (like much of the Old Testament) needs to be read with care and a little understanding of the time and culture which produced it. Evolution, like gravity and conservation of energy, is simply one of the processes God used (and still uses) to create and sustain the universe.

Only the genuine fundamentalist whackos have a problem with any of that. But then, to be fair, they are quite consistent - there isn't much that the fundamentalist whackos don't have problems with.

[3.14159]

Science does it's best to stay out of religion.
Creationists should extend science the same courtesy.

[Morrigu]

LOL,

I confess that i find it amazing that there are people who genuinely believe the Earth and everything around it was created on a whim by an immortal deity and ignore Darwins theory and all the other scientific evidence completely

The current leader of the Libs says hello

[stui magpie]

^

Get back to the kitchen, wench.

[Pies4shaw]

My son is doing year 10 Science at an inner-Melbourne State school. He told me yesterday that his class is presently studying what he referred to as "Charles Darwin's beliefs about evolution".

I quizzed him on this a little more closely and it appears that (at least) his science teacher felt compelled to pander to the lunatic fringe on this issue by, first, warning students at the end of year 9 that year 10 Science will deal with the Theory of Evolution ("which some among you may find offensive") and, secondly, by emphasising in teaching the year 10 course that evolution is "a theory" which is "not yet proven".

I am looking forward to my son learning about rust in Chemistry next year. Hopefully, equal time will be given to the phlogiston theory there. Oxygen is against my religious beliefs and I am offended by the concept.

Is there no end to the tripe up with which we have to put in the name of "tolerance" of the superstitions of the semi-literate? What happened to the most important human right of all - the right to call an idiot an idiot and dismiss their nonsense as, well, nonsense?

[stui magpie]

My son is doing year 10 Science at an inner-Melbourne State school. He told me yesterday that his class is presently studying what he referred to as "Charles Darwin's beliefs about evolution".

I quizzed him on this a little more closely and it appears that (at least) his science teacher felt compelled to pander to the lunatic fringe on this issue by, first, warning students at the end of year 9 that year 10 Science will deal with the Theory of Evolution ("which some among you may find offensive") and, secondly, by emphasising in teaching the year 10 course that evolution is "a theory" which is "not yet proven".

I am looking forward to my son learning about rust in Chemistry next year. Hopefully, equal time will be given to the phlogiston theory there. Oxygen is against my religious beliefs and I am offended by the concept.

Is there no end to the tripe up with which we have to put in the name of "tolerance" of the superstitions of the semi-literate? What happened to the most important human right of all - the right to call an idiot an idiot and dismiss their nonsense as, well, nonsense?

Are we going backwards? When i learned about it at High School in the early 80's there was none of that crap, it was just scientific theory.

What happened to the most important human right of all - the right to call an idiot an idiot and dismiss their nonsense as, well, nonsense?

I think the PC Brigade have got that one too. I believe the current politically correct term is "Cognitively challenged"

[3.14159]

My son is doing year 10 Science at an inner-Melbourne State school. He told me yesterday that his class is presently studying what he referred to as "Charles Darwin's beliefs about evolution".

I quizzed him on this a little more closely and it appears that (at least) his science teacher felt compelled to pander to the lunatic fringe on this issue by, first, warning students at the end of year 9 that year 10 Science will deal with the Theory of Evolution ("which some among you may find offensive") and, secondly, by emphasising in teaching the year 10 course that evolution is "a theory" which is "not yet proven".

Theory, definition...
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.
Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the word "theory" in common usage, which implies that something is unsubstantiated or speculative.

He might know little about the English language but Evolution is definitely a theory.

[laird]

LOL,

I confess that i find it amazing that there are people who genuinely believe the Earth and everything around it was created on a whim by an immortal deity and ignore Darwins theory and all the other scientific evidence completely.

I'd love to see someone come out with a theory that could co exist with both religious people and scientists but both would probably argue against it.

Darwin was a joke. Weak man that knew the truth and struggled always with it. Simply because he was an arrogant self centred knob who thought he was greater. Not the last either.

Personally I do not deal in theory - only fact. However science and religion do co exist. Science is from the minds of the created. Science is necessary to explore and ask questions not understood (which is good).

"The chances that life just occurred on earth are about as unlikely as a typhoon blowing through a junkyard and constructing a Boeing 747".
( New Scientist )

(Astronomer) Fred Hoyle has calculated that the chance of life happening by accident is 1 in 10(40,000). That is a "1" with 40,000 noughts after it, a figure so enormous that it amounts to a total impossibility.

These are honest men, who are not, in the words of one scientist, " encased in scientific dogmatism." They are willing to be honest with the facts and recognise the limitations of science.

Whilst you wait on more theories from your fellow man - I, personally will continue on with the truth.

[3.14159]

After reading the above post I am even more of the opinion that dinosaurs (feathered or other-wise) still exist.