I agree, David.
The original reporting that he wasn't required to wear the VB logo on his uniform was pretty low key and was presented as a "Feelgood" story rather than a problem.
It was only when those peanuts started publicly arguing against it that there was a problem.
When I posted reference to this I deliberately left out religion as there are a number of reasons people could be unwilling to market a product other than religion.
You don't need to have religious reasons to have an issue with marketing Alcohol or gambling or even a particular organisation. If a sports person does have a concern the appropriate people to make the decision is the organisation that has contractual obligations to the sponsor.
it would be a completely different situation if a player didn't want to wear the VB logo because they had a personal sponsorship with a competing brand.
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I'll drink to that.stui magpie wrote:I agree, David.
The original reporting that he wasn't required to wear the VB logo on his uniform was pretty low key and was presented as a "Feelgood" story rather than a problem.
It was only when those peanuts started publicly arguing against it that there was a problem.
When I posted reference to this I deliberately left out religion as there are a number of reasons people could be unwilling to market a product other than religion.
You don't need to have religious reasons to have an issue with marketing Alcohol or gambling or even a particular organisation. If a sports person does have a concern the appropriate people to make the decision is the organisation that has contractual obligations to the sponsor.
it would be a completely different situation if a player didn't want to wear the VB logo because they had a personal sponsorship with a competing brand.
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I'll drink to anything.watt price tully wrote:I'll drink to that.stui magpie wrote:I agree, David.
The original reporting that he wasn't required to wear the VB logo on his uniform was pretty low key and was presented as a "Feelgood" story rather than a problem.
It was only when those peanuts started publicly arguing against it that there was a problem.
When I posted reference to this I deliberately left out religion as there are a number of reasons people could be unwilling to market a product other than religion.
You don't need to have religious reasons to have an issue with marketing Alcohol or gambling or even a particular organisation. If a sports person does have a concern the appropriate people to make the decision is the organisation that has contractual obligations to the sponsor.
it would be a completely different situation if a player didn't want to wear the VB logo because they had a personal sponsorship with a competing brand.
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David, I am quite amazed at your inability to see any other point of view other than your own.
I'm not saying you need to agree, but can you not see that individualising an issue like this in a team sport can possibly cause conflict????
Whether you think there is a problem with CA's ruling or not, it certainly opens the door for the general public, and indeed Fawad's teammates, to be a bit miffed about someone being given special treatment.
He's actually wearing a different uniform at training & on game day than his teammates!!
Wasn't the lack of adhesion to wearing the correct team training attire one of the reasons given for players being left out of the side earlier this year??
Sending 11 blokes out onto the field, with 1 of them wearing s different uniform hardly gives a strong, intimidating, message of "team".
I'm not saying you need to agree, but can you not see that individualising an issue like this in a team sport can possibly cause conflict????
Whether you think there is a problem with CA's ruling or not, it certainly opens the door for the general public, and indeed Fawad's teammates, to be a bit miffed about someone being given special treatment.
He's actually wearing a different uniform at training & on game day than his teammates!!
Wasn't the lack of adhesion to wearing the correct team training attire one of the reasons given for players being left out of the side earlier this year??
Sending 11 blokes out onto the field, with 1 of them wearing s different uniform hardly gives a strong, intimidating, message of "team".
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KM, I see your argument here. I just think it's flimsy and perhaps a little disingenuous.King Monkey wrote:David, I am quite amazed at your inability to see any other point of view other than your own.
I'm not saying you need to agree, but can you not see that individualising an issue like this in a team sport can possibly cause conflict????
Whether you think there is a problem with CA's ruling or not, it certainly opens the door for the general public, and indeed Fawad's teammates, to be a bit miffed about someone being given special treatment.
He's actually wearing a different uniform at training & on game day than his teammates!!
Wasn't the lack of adhesion to wearing the correct team training attire one of the reasons given for players being left out of the side earlier this year??
Sending 11 blokes out onto the field, with 1 of them wearing s different uniform hardly gives a strong, intimidating, message of "team".
Fawad's 'different uniform' consists of a single badge that probably accounts for, I don't know, 2% of the material? Less? If you think that's going to threaten team unity, you must have hated David Cloke wearing lace-up jumpers back in the mid-'80s or players who wear white coloured now. While we're at it, time for Travis to ditch the glove! It's clearly sending a message of disunity.
I think I have a bit of a theory about why the 'general public' might feel a little miffed over this rather trivial instance of, er, 'special treatment'. I'll give you a hint: it starts with "M" and ends with "uslims". They just don't like 'em.
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Yeah, i got the feeling you couldn't wait for someone to bring the M or the R word into it David.
Also, not only regarding this topic - you are very quick to assume what is going through other people's minds.
Personally, I'd prefer the Australian cricket uniform not to have a sponsor logo as the centrepiece, but at the same time if it must be so then it must be good enough for the whole team, not 90.91% of the team.
It is not Fawad personally representing VB by having a logo on his playing uniform, he is representing the Australian cricket team, who happen to be sponsored by VB. Massive difference IMO.
The other part is the precedent - if Maccas or Hungry Jacks sponsor down the track, do any Hindu players get excused from wearing those logos on religious grounds (sacred cow??)?? Does Siddle get to abstain from wearing the KFC logo as a vegetarian?? Come to think of it, some of KFC's products contain bacon, Fawad can turn them down as a team sponsor too?? And Maccas & Hungry Jacks' food is not prepared halal, no logo for Fawad again?? Is John Doe who gets drafted to Collingwood next year allowed to remove the Emirates logo from his official club clothing because his mum died in a plane crash?? Joe Smith goes to Geelong and can't wear a Ford logo because his dad was run over by a Ford??
Where do you stop mate????
It is not a personal thing against Fawad, he may be a lovely guy.
It is not a personal thing against Muslims or any other religion.
But when does one just say "here are the rules and conditions if you want to play."??
Also, not only regarding this topic - you are very quick to assume what is going through other people's minds.
Personally, I'd prefer the Australian cricket uniform not to have a sponsor logo as the centrepiece, but at the same time if it must be so then it must be good enough for the whole team, not 90.91% of the team.
It is not Fawad personally representing VB by having a logo on his playing uniform, he is representing the Australian cricket team, who happen to be sponsored by VB. Massive difference IMO.
The other part is the precedent - if Maccas or Hungry Jacks sponsor down the track, do any Hindu players get excused from wearing those logos on religious grounds (sacred cow??)?? Does Siddle get to abstain from wearing the KFC logo as a vegetarian?? Come to think of it, some of KFC's products contain bacon, Fawad can turn them down as a team sponsor too?? And Maccas & Hungry Jacks' food is not prepared halal, no logo for Fawad again?? Is John Doe who gets drafted to Collingwood next year allowed to remove the Emirates logo from his official club clothing because his mum died in a plane crash?? Joe Smith goes to Geelong and can't wear a Ford logo because his dad was run over by a Ford??
Where do you stop mate????
It is not a personal thing against Fawad, he may be a lovely guy.
It is not a personal thing against Muslims or any other religion.
But when does one just say "here are the rules and conditions if you want to play."??
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