Recreational cyclists

[watt price tully]

Personally I recon people using the bike to go to the shops or casual riding should be allowed to use footpaths with a speed limit of around 10kmph. So if you just want to treadle along to get somewhere get off the road.

Depends where you live. Where I live there's room on the roads. Where you live the roads aren't designed for bikes & are far too narrow - too many hoons with fast cars Where I live the housing density makes it too dangerous on footpaths because of drive-ways.

I can't see why they don't increase the shoulders on the roads your way to make it accessible for bikes, that way catering for cars & bicycles. (I noticed it when having Christmas in Wattle Glen).

[watt price tully]

Top Cop backs bicyclists, calls on car drivers to be more patient & that it is (fully) legal to ride 2 abreast in a road lane.

So there

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/ken-l ... 33itx.html

[Pies4shaw]

It might be fully legal - but whether it is sensible is a whole different question.

[watt price tully]

It might be fully legal - but whether it is sensible is a whole different question.

You're telling me

I will only will ride two abreast on two or more lane roads when I do. Never on single lanes.

Anyway, be more patient

[Pies4shaw]

Oh, I am - I haven't mowed down a cyclist for days - well, not a whole bunch of cyclists, anyway....

[John Wren]

in east melbourne you could ride four abreast and there'd still be room for cars to pass. the streets in this suburb are ridiculously wide.

[stui magpie]

^

Whereas in my area and many of the roads I drive on a daily basis, cyclists in single file cause traffic issues with cars barely able to pass them without crossing the centre divide. 2 abreast is a road block and IMO just being damn ignorant and stupid and totally deserving of motorist anger.

[sixpoints]

What exactly is the law?
Are roads legally designated for cars to have priority?

[think positive]

Early morning ride, watched the sun come up

So if your on a narrow street, and there's cars parked everywhere, no bike lane, can you legally ride towards the traffic? I had no head phones on, but I'm so deaf I can't hear cars come up behind me and they scare the bejesus out of me. On the footpath I get greasy looks. It's about 600m to the bike path from my house.

[Skids]

Perth has excellent cycleways, you can ride pretty much anywhere without going on the road.

[Pies4shaw]

^^^ Yes - but it's a rotten place for people who like to walk, just like Melbourne is - and mostly that's because of the cyclists.

[watt price tully]

^^^ Yes - but it's a rotten place for people who like to walk, just like Melbourne is - and mostly that's because of the cyclists.

Your attitude has been noticed.

Whoever thought that it would be a jolly good idea to mix bike paths & pedestrian walks together ought to be shot.

If cyclists aren't able to cycle on footpaths (& shoudn't be able to) what then is the logic to combine walking & cycling paths?

It's not the cyclists but car drivers, sorry urban planners who have a lot to answer for

[Pies4shaw]

^^^ Yes - but it's a rotten place for people who like to walk, just like Melbourne is - and mostly that's because of the cyclists.

Your attitude has been noticed.

Whoever thought that it would be a jolly good idea to mix bike paths & pedestrian walks together ought to be shot.

If cyclists aren't able to cycle on footpaths (& shoudn't be able to) what then is the logic to combine walking & cycling paths?

It's not the cyclists but car drivers, sorry urban planners who have a lot to answer for

There's a lot of merit hidden behind the joke in your last sentence, wpt: some of the decision-making by the urban planners in the City of Melbourne certainly looks like it could only sensibly have been made by people who live in Doncaster-Templestowe and commute by private vehicles to the CBD, where they park in a reserved private car-parking space outside their place of work. Meanwhile, the rest of us who variously live, ride, walk, commute by public transport and drive locally are left to negotiate our way through the mess created for us all in the name of "planning".

[stui magpie]

^^^ Yes - but it's a rotten place for people who like to walk, just like Melbourne is - and mostly that's because of the cyclists.

Your attitude has been noticed.

Whoever thought that it would be a jolly good idea to mix bike paths & pedestrian walks together ought to be shot.

If cyclists aren't able to cycle on footpaths (& shoudn't be able to) what then is the logic to combine walking & cycling paths?

It's not the cyclists but car drivers, sorry urban planners who have a lot to answer for

Been to the Gold Coast lately?

They have big wide footpaths along the esplanade overlooking the beach and these are a seriously shared zone. Pedestrians, cyclists and **** riding these moped things with no helmets and no motorcycle licence required. Add to that mix skateboarders and I walk on the grass when I'm there.

[partypie]

Sounds like right in front of where I am living at the moment, Stui. Seems to work pretty well most of the time. I cycle on the shared path no problem and ride on the grass to go round large groups of walkers.