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eddiesmith wrote:Great to see our ex captain still abusing players that are better than him just for the sake of it, I assume Fasolos great crime was actually hitting a target which is not allowed in the ex captains backline...
Unanimous appreaciton here for Maxys great effort today makes your comment both stupid and pathetic - he was tremendous today and your cheap shots are completely unjustified.
eddiesmith wrote:Great to see our ex captain still abusing players that are better than him just for the sake of it, I assume Fasolos great crime was actually hitting a target which is not allowed in the ex captains backline...
Unanimous appreaciton here for Maxys great effort today makes your comment both stupid and pathetic - he was tremendous today and your cheap shots are completely unjustified.
He's not a whipping boy for you today sport.
Yet, the Bozo is quick to jump down the throat of anyone who dares to criticize Cloke.
I hold a cup of wisdom, but there is nothing within.
eddiesmith wrote:Great to see our ex captain still abusing players that are better than him just for the sake of it, I assume Fasolos great crime was actually hitting a target which is not allowed in the ex captains backline...
swoop42 wrote:Nothing has changed for me after todays game if anything it's only highlighted how far we suddenly seem behind the likes of Port and the hawks.
Suddenly???
We were never in their ballpark. Especially Hawthorn. We are a couple of seasons away from that level just yet.
I hold a cup of wisdom, but there is nothing within.
^Gutsy win against the odds with our 2 key backs out, well beaten in the clearances most of the night against a formidable ruck duo.
I had Blair in my top 5 I think, to suggest we drop him after his past two weeks is ridiculous. Might go missing after a punch off the ball to Mitch Brown though.
Not making 5 changes after a win like that.
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swoop42 wrote:Nothing has changed for me after todays game if anything it's only highlighted how far we suddenly seem behind the likes of Port and the hawks.
Out:Brown(inj)
In:Keeffe
Out:Witts
In:Karnezis
Out:Young
In:Seedsman/Broomhead
Out:Ball
In:Adams
Out:Blair
In:Kennedy/Thomas
I doubt you'll see 5 changes in a winning side, but I'm glad you mentioned Young. He is bloody soft I reckon. Saw him on several occasions today just not go hard enough at the contest.
I like the first three but Blair? He was one of our best today.
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Swoop, you need to watch the replay. Blair was fantastic today, as he was last week - kept us in it in the first half. And Bally simply does the hard things, time after time. I could buy your other three changes, but these two don't make any sense to me.
Take Blair out in the first three quarters today and we would not have even been in the game. Height does not a player make. If he was centimetres taller his place in the side would never be in question. Whenever he has been dropped the team has not played well. Gee, I wonder why? because he is more important to the side than he is given credit for.
swoop42 wrote:Nothing has changed for me after todays game if anything it's only highlighted how far we suddenly seem behind the likes of Port and the hawks.
Suddenly???
We were never in their ballpark. Especially Hawthorn. We are a couple of seasons away from that level just yet.
Then questions need to be asked.
With our list we should be the equal of Port I would have thought.
They were a rabble only two years back.
I thought we had improved significantly but the last two weeks have rocked me.
As inky said, the issue for us today was the ruck combo. We have to get back to a pacier, run and carry style, and Witts and Grundy can't be an ongoing option. To me, Grundy increasingly looks like a dumb footballer, continually infringing in ruck contests, clumsy tackles off the ball when we have it, etc. he has great promise, but needs maturity. Witts looks the better option to me atm with White as the relief.
Cloke was poor, again, but given the number of i50s gained by a beaten midfield, i think he is a secondary issue. He'll come good.
Elliott has become a matchwinner, an X-factor most weeks, and I'd leave him mostly forward, with Fas who impacted a few contests without scoring goals himself once he went forward.
The other thing that we may be seeing is the eclipsing of Dane Swan as a great. He is getting older and just not tearing games apart as he used to. If Pendlebury does not star, we are in trouble, amd it was the captain's class that lifted us through that second half despite Swanny's relative quiescence.
Mugwump wrote:The other thing that we may be seeing is the eclipsing of Dane Swan as a great. He is getting older and just not tearing games apart as he used to. If Pendlebury does not star, we are in trouble, amd it was the captain's class that lifted us through that second half despite Swanny's relative quiescence.
Thats why I'm a bit dissapointed in Sidey. He hasn't taken the next step up to elite level like I thought he would.
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