Iraq in ruins

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:34 pm

Wokko wrote:Here's something not being reported in the Western 'press'.

http://rt.com/usa/165612-us-iran-allies ... nsurgency/

Looks like Iran already has troops on the ground to aid Iraq and the USA is going to be doing some combined operations.

Only if you don't count the Australian ABC, amongst others as the Western Press then yes you have a point.

But shhhh, it's a conspiracy

AN_Inkling · Post by **AN_Inkling** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:56 pm

Interestingly, the coalition went into Iraq due to the potential existence of WMD and Saddam's criminal treatment of his own people, oh and those terrorists (which really had nothing to do with Iraq). While in Syria we have a leader who has actually used WMD on his own people and where there most definitely exists a terrorist problem. The former was a flimsy case for war but the coalition did it anyway, the latter a much stronger case, and as yet no action.

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:54 am

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:59 am

watt price tully wrote: Only if you don't count the Australian ABC, amongst others as the Western Press then yes you have a point.

But shhhh, it's a conspiracy

Checked every Iraq story on the ABC and didn't find any reference to the Quds forces of Iran and the USA joining up to fight in Iraq. Plenty of stuff about possible US intervention and the insurgents moving on Baghdad though.

I find RT to be much better for international news. News about Russia/Ukraine however tends to have a certain slant to it.

Didn't mention any conspiracy though, what are you smoking?

HAL · Post by **HAL** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:01 am

Thanks for telling me your opinion.

Post by **think positive** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:38 am

Oh lookie, another let's bash America thread, yippeee Kyyia motherfuka, I'll be back

3.14159 · Post by **3.14159** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:40 pm

Wokko wrote: I fully understand the excuses given for invasion, but they were just that, excuses. I also don't think that Polish troops took Gleiwitz station and broadcast anti-German messages, but that was the excuse for Germany to invade.

So your likening Operation Iraqi Freedom to Germany's invasion of Poland?*
Wow!

* A 6 year war by "insurgent" Poles (with the aid of proxy allies).
Insurgent because their Governments had fallen and were replaced by "legitimate" invader (like what the US did in Iraq)

In both cases Germany and the US argued that as "insurgents" they did not come under the remit of the Geneva Convention
The summary execution and/or imprisonment of French and Polish Resistance fighters and what happens Gantano Bay and spring to mind as examples of what happens when Governments use "excuses" as justification for invading a Sovereign country.

AN_Inkling · Post by **AN_Inkling** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:48 pm

Wokko's right though, WMDs weren't the reason for the Iraq war, that was just the expressed pretense.

3.14159 · Post by **3.14159** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:29 pm

He also claims the war was won in 2003.

President Obama says 'America's war in Iraq will be over' with decision to pull all troops from Iraq by the end of the year.
Oct 21, 2011 -

3.14159 · Post by **3.14159** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:05 pm

the second "reason" for invading was lraqi Government links to El Qada, there were none, Hussain wouldn't tolerate them and it wasn't till several years after the invasion that an Iraqi chapter was formed.

3.14159 · Post by **3.14159** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:05 pm

So what was the actual reason Iraq was invaded in the first place?

(surely not because it has oil?)

AN_Inkling · Post by **AN_Inkling** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:03 pm

I wouldn't presume to know the exact motivation, but things like WMD and support for terrorism were clearly just trumped up pretenses. The fact is the wolves of America wanted to go to war, it wasn't to find WMD (why would they care, really?), or to prevent terrorism (there were no real links), it was for their own reasons. As I say I won't presume to know what they were but, a show of strength after 9/11, the irrational idea that they could reshape the Middle East to be more friendly to the West, and yes oil, and money more generally, all may have had something to do with it.

Post by **stui magpie** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:12 pm

AN_Inkling wrote:I wouldn't presume to know the exact motivation, but things like WMD and support for terrorism were clearly just trumped up pretenses. The fact is the wolves of America wanted to go to war, it wasn't to find WMD (why would they care, really?), or to prevent terrorism (there were no real links), it was for their own reasons. As I say I won't presume to know what they were but, a show of strength after 9/11, the irrational idea that they could reshape the Middle East to be more friendly to the West, and yes oil, and money more generally, all may have had something to do with it.

Good points. It's actually not beyond the realms of possibility that the whole thing was a considered response to the 9-11 bombings in order to raise morale amongst the populace at home. They just needed to find a credible arab target.

Mountains Magpie · Post by **Mountains Magpie** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:57 pm

stui magpie wrote:FMD, I'm starting to think Nostradamus was right, it's just a matter of when.

I wonder about this too.

Although I think WW1, WW2 and WW3 for Nostradamus are what we call the Franco-Prussian War, WW1 and WW2.

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Iraq in ruins