Carlton to go up to 22 Flags :eek

Bucks5 · Post by **Bucks5** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:09 pm

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/h ... zsglu.html

We have no hope of overtaking them

Post by **stui magpie** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:46 pm

If they want to start that crap, Port Adelaide will be out in front so far it's scary.

ronrat · Post by **ronrat** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:09 pm

Leave it as it is. In fact if they are determined to rewrite history take the last scum flag off them for salary cap cheating. That might change the cheating Fitzpatrick and his mates mind set.

Piesnchess · Post by **Piesnchess** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:10 pm

This idea is just so warped, its insane, no way can flags be added up from the old vfa and the League now, that dipstick farrker Fitzpatrick, a scum shit head, must be stopped from this ludicrous crap move.

Post by **David** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:16 am

The funniest thing about this is the headline: "History of the AFL could be turned on its head". Um, no, the history would remain exactly the same. The AFL would simply be arbritarily shifting the goalposts in an extremely mundane way. Carlton will be able to say they have 22 premierships ... except, they already can do that if they like. What will have changed, really? Will Bruce mention it during the commentary at some point?

Should they? Personally, I don't mind either way. In some ways I've always seen the current competition as a natural extension of the old pre-1897 VFA and perhaps even the looser competition that existed before that. In some respects, counting a flag won in 1877 makes about as much sense as counting one from 1905, given the way the game has changed since. Obviously teams like Hawthorn and Port Adelaide would be annoyed about their histories not 'officially' counting, but it's fair enough for them to miss out: the roots of the current AFL lie clearly in the VFL and original VFA; not the SANFL, WAFL or VFA post-1896.

Anyway, it's all just symbolism, and fairly abstract symbolism at that. But I don't think it would be such a bad thing.

Collingwood Crackerjack · Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:25 am

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl ... zsglu.html

Trying to get the jump on flags won by rewriting history.

For shame!!!!!!

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:39 am

Well with FitzPatrick in charge you'd reckon its a cert.

Let them get a bit of historical pleasure. God knows they are getting anything at present or in the foreseeable future.

Anyway it really should start at 1990 which makes us the inaugural Premiers.

All the other local comps should just keep their own histories.

TK · Post by TK » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:20 am

Worse still we lose our boast that we are the only team to win 4 in row as Essendon did in 1891 - 1894 - Doh

Anyway I think it should be only back dated to official Premierships from Grand Finals - 1896 being the first and Essendon stipped of its 1897 & 1924 flags as they were round robin games!!!!

So My tally works out to Be Collingwood & Carlton 16 and Essendon 14

Get some of that Fitzy

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:45 am

Damien wrote:Well with FitzPatrick in charge you'd reckon its a cert.

Let them get a bit of historical pleasure. God knows they are getting anything at present or in the foreseeable future.

Anyway it really should start at 1990 which makes us the inaugural Premiers.

All the other local comps should just keep their own histories.

My 1990 premiership T-shirt actually says something like: "Collingwood - First AFL premiers".

E · Post by E » Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:31 am

if nothing else, what this mass-debate about where you start counting highlights just how meaningless it is even today to claim superiority over the number of flags you have won!!!!

If anything, the fact that Mike Fitzpatrick could in effect change history by simply saying it a different way, invalidates the existing status quo.

Dave The Man · Post by **Dave The Man** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:47 am

AssHole and Shows that Carlton run the AFL

Dave The Man · Post by **Dave The Man** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:48 am

Pies4shaw wrote:
Damien wrote:Well with FitzPatrick in charge you'd reckon its a cert.

Let them get a bit of historical pleasure. God knows they are getting anything at present or in the foreseeable future.

Anyway it really should start at 1990 which makes us the inaugural Premiers.

All the other local comps should just keep their own histories.
My 1990 premiership T-shirt actually says something like: "Collingwood - First AFL premiers".

Make a Good Point.

Before that it was just a Local Victoria League and the AFL is the National League

taff wa · Post by **taff wa** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:04 am

This is bullshit, if they want to incorporate VFA premierships the non Victorian clubs may well have a case to include wafl and sanfl flags into the history particularly port Adelaide.

HAL · Post by **HAL** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:07 am

You don't say.

Dave The Man · Post by **Dave The Man** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:25 am

taff wa wrote:This is bullshit, if they want to incorporate VFA premierships the non Victorian clubs may well have a case to include wafl and sanfl flags into the history particularly port Adelaide.

Have to Count teams like Port Melbourne and Williamstown

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Carlton to go up to 22 Flags :eek

Carlton to go up to 22 Flags :eek

Cheating Carlscum know no shame!