Post match. Pies down to Crows - All comments.

[Breadcrawl]

Ceglar was AWESOME against Sydney.

5 possessions, 10 hitouts (worthless stat) and 3 frees against before being subbed off in the 3rd.

We clearly need him.

Let's see if we can offload a dud like Seedsman or Kennedy to the Hawks and secure Ceglar, the mid-aged ruckman we are absolutely crying out for

[jackcass]

Ceglar was AWESOME against Sydney.

5 possessions, 10 hitouts (worthless stat) and 3 frees against before being subbed off in the 3rd.

We clearly need him.

Let's see if we can offload a dud like Seedsman or Kennedy to the Hawks and secure Ceglar, the mid-aged ruckman we are absolutely crying out for

While I wish Ceglar every success, always thought he'd be a player, there were clearly reasons he wasn't retained so it's time to move on. Don't think he's been any better than Witts this season and Witts clearly appears to have a lot more development given he's a bit younger.

Disagree with the suggestions that we need to draft an established ruckman. I can see the merits of getting a Hudson type on the rookie list just in case but ultimately think we need to perservere with Witts and Grundy. We survived for years without a dominant ruckman until Jolly was recruited. Improve our clearance work and we'll do okay with the 2 kids.

[AN_Inkling]

^^It depends. How long do you want to wait to contend? We can't contend with Witts and Grundy on 2014 form. They probably won't be at the required standard next year either, maybe not even the year after. Rucks take time.

If ruck is just about the only thing holding us back, then we need to bring in someone else. If we don't think our list is close to contending and needs another 2-3 years, then sure, stick with Grundy and Witts.

[Bob Sugar]

Ceglar was AWESOME against Sydney.

5 possessions, 10 hitouts (worthless stat) and 3 frees against before being subbed off in the 3rd.

We clearly need him.

Let's see if we can offload a dud like Seedsman or Kennedy to the Hawks and secure Ceglar, the mid-aged ruckman we are absolutely crying out for

While I wish Ceglar every success, always thought he'd be a player, there were clearly reasons he wasn't retained so it's time to move on. Don't think he's been any better than Witts this season and Witts clearly appears to have a lot more development given he's a bit younger.

Disagree with the suggestions that we need to draft an established ruckman. I can see the merits of getting a Hudson type on the rookie list just in case but ultimately think we need to perservere with Witts and Grundy. We survived for years without a dominant ruckman until Jolly was recruited. Improve our clearance work and we'll do okay with the 2 kids.

We will recruit a mature age ruck this year even if it is for back up, with the old man certain to retire we can't go into a season with only 2 rucks, we have to rookie list one at the very least.