Iraq in ruins

[David]

[Mugwump]

Probably not quite the way to achieve the goal, in that it will probably help to recruit people to IS... But it's hard not to approve her attitude to the snuff-movie makers, and as a perormance art statement it's more apposite than a lot of things that win prizes.

We do need to recognise, though, that some Muslim people find her act in desecrating the words "there is no God but Allah" probably more offensive and inflammatory than they find IS's activities, and it's a good idea to respect people's non-violent sensitivities rather than grossly desecrate them, whatever the provocation.

[swoop42]

Sadly and scarily her life is probably in danger now.

[think positive]

Ewwwwww

[David]

Sadly and scarily her life is probably in danger now.

It already is. This is the same Egyptian girl who was kidnapped a couple of years ago after posting a nude photo on her blog. She escaped, fled the country and is now living in Sweden on political asylum.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliaa_Magda_Elmahdy

She'll have to watch her back for the rest of her life, but her ongoing activism has already inspired (and will continue to inspire) many women in Muslim countries who are sick of being told by men what to say, where to go, how to dress and who they can sleep with.

Certainly, I can see how this could be inflammatory. If a couple of white American women had done this, it would have been nothing more than the next ISIS recruiting poster. But this is a "**** you" from within; not from the decadent west, but from a woman from the heart of the Islamic world who is showing that she is not intimidated by fundamentalism. That carries infinitely more power.

[swoop42]

Sadly and scarily her life is probably in danger now.

It already is. This is the same Egyptian girl who was kidnapped a couple of years ago after posting a nude photo on her blog. She escaped, fled the country and is now living in Sweden on political asylum.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliaa_Magda_Elmahdy

She'll have to watch her back for the rest of her life, but her ongoing activism has already inspired (and will continue to inspire) many women in Muslim countries who are sick of being told by men what to say, where to go, how to dress and who they can sleep with.

Certainly, I can see how this could be inflammatory. If a couple of white American women had done this, it would have been nothing more than the next ISIS recruiting poster. But this is a "**** you" from within; not from the decadent west, but from a woman of Muslim background who is showing that she is not intimidated by fundamentalism. That carries infinitely more power.

Oh I see.

I was thinking how gutsy (and insane in the current environment) it was for her to do it living in Egypt.

Still gutsy for a muslim woman but hopefully she'll be safe in Sweden.

[Mugwump]

Sadly and scarily her life is probably in danger now.

It already is. This is the same Egyptian girl who was kidnapped a couple of years ago after posting a nude photo on her blog. She escaped, fled the country and is now living in Sweden on political asylum.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliaa_Magda_Elmahdy

She'll have to watch her back for the rest of her life, but her ongoing activism has already inspired (and will continue to inspire) many women in Muslim countries who are sick of being told by men what to say, where to go, how to dress and who they can sleep with.

Certainly, I can see how this could be inflammatory. If a couple of white American women had done this, it would have been nothing more than the next ISIS recruiting poster. But this is a "**** you" from within; not from the decadent west, but from a woman from the heart of the Islamic world who is showing that she is not intimidated by fundamentalism. That carries infinitely more power.

You think those head cases are intellligent enough to make that distinction ? They'll see it as an example of how disgusting "the west" is, and probably see it as we see their snuff movies. I understand the motive and emotion, but regret the act from any quarter.

[watt price tully]

Sadly and scarily her life is probably in danger now.

It already is. This is the same Egyptian girl who was kidnapped a couple of years ago after posting a nude photo on her blog. She escaped, fled the country and is now living in Sweden on political asylum.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliaa_Magda_Elmahdy

She'll have to watch her back for the rest of her life, but her ongoing activism has already inspired (and will continue to inspire) many women in Muslim countries who are sick of being told by men what to say, where to go, how to dress and who they can sleep with.

Certainly, I can see how this could be inflammatory. If a couple of white American women had done this, it would have been nothing more than the next ISIS recruiting poster. But this is a "**** you" from within; not from the decadent west, but from a woman from the heart of the Islamic world who is showing that she is not intimidated by fundamentalism. That carries infinitely more power.

You think those head cases are intellligent enough to make that distinction ? They'll see it as an example of how disgusting "the west" is, and probably see it as we see their snuff movies. I understand the motive and emotion, but regret the act from any quarter.

In a similar vein but not as confronting yet within Iran:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-wo ... iral-clip/

The Mullahs are not amused. God-willing she will be safe

Like that old line about what do men yell out at a Taliban striptease: "Show us your face"

[David]

[Jezza]

I'm interested to check this out.

Thanks for the link, David.

[David]

[David]

Episode 2 deals with the lead-up to the first Gulf War and Bill Clinton’s murderous sanctions regime, which is thought to have killed 500,000 children alone:

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/e ... 0479010393