What did you find odd today?

[HAL]

That's unbelievable.

[think positive]

Unbelievable but not odd

[Piethagoras' Theorem]

Post of the year right there!!

Yeah, I thought it was one of the board's finer intellectual achievements.

I must admit, I was more impressed with the accuracy of the statement than anything else.

The way I see it, David challenges people's belief systems mostly with reason, intelligence, facts and without getting personal. People like you, skids and many others seem incapable of dealing with it.

[think positive]

Yeah, I thought it was one of the board's finer intellectual achievements.

I must admit, I was more impressed with the accuracy of the statement than anything else.

The way I see it, David challenges people's belief systems mostly with reason, intelligence, facts and without getting personal. People like you, skids and many others seem incapable of dealing with it.

Um no, David does sometimes get personal, or rather, superior, condescending, and I find that very grating too. As I always tell him when he does it to me.

But anyway the statement that this is about isn't a personal judgement, it's a question, and I have to admit, I totally agree, David does seem to stick up for the absolute dregs of society, and I know it all goes back to his belief that there is no such thing as free will. I totally disagree, and I think people should take responsibility for their action. Yep there may be mitigating circumstances, but who doesn't have something in their past that could be a mitigating circumstance for some heinous crime? Or as I prefer to call it, an excuse? Excuses are easy to find if you want to look hard enough for them. Wether it's killing someone, acting on urges that infringe on someone else's rights or well being, or yes, even just being over weight.

I'm trying to think of a time he was more on the victims side, or at least, not looking to excuse the offender. I find it incredulous at times, and yeah I guess even a little admirable to always see the good in everything and everyone, but I also think it's naive and sometimes, downright unfair to the victim.

[David]

I know it all goes back to his belief that there is no such thing as free will.

That's not actually true. My belief in empathy is informed by the fact that free will is an illusion, but if that were not the case, I would still stand up for the people you refer to as "the dregs of society" just as much. Those "dregs" are still human beings. Someone has to stand up for them.

[Piethagoras' Theorem]

I must admit, I was more impressed with the accuracy of the statement than anything else.

The way I see it, David challenges people's belief systems mostly with reason, intelligence, facts and without getting personal. People like you, skids and many others seem incapable of dealing with it.

Um no, David does sometimes get personal, or rather, superior, condescending, and I find that very grating too. As I always tell him when he does it to me.

But anyway the statement that this is about isn't a personal judgement, it's a question, and I have to admit, I totally agree, David does seem to stick up for the absolute dregs of society, and I know it all goes back to his belief that there is no such thing as free will. I totally disagree, and I think people should take responsibility for their action. Yep there may be mitigating circumstances, but who doesn't have something in their past that could be a mitigating circumstance for some heinous crime? Or as I prefer to call it, an excuse? Excuses are easy to find if you want to look hard enough for them. Wether it's killing someone, acting on urges that infringe on someone else's rights or well being, or yes, even just being over weight.

I'm trying to think of a time he was more on the victims side, or at least, not looking to excuse the offender. I find it incredulous at times, and yeah I guess even a little admirable to always see the good in everything and everyone, but I also think it's naive and sometimes, downright unfair to the victim.

I did say "mostly". I think all long time posters on here have got personal at one stage or another, myself included. Regardless, coming across as superior or condescending is not getting personal.

As far as sticking up for "the absolute dregs of society", I'm not so sure. Seems more like questioning the extreme views taken towards the perpetrators. That is in no way dismissing or having little empathy for the victim.

Anyhoo, I'm sure David is capable of sticking up for himself. Way better than I could

[think positive]

I know it all goes back to his belief that there is no such thing as free will.

That's not actually true. My belief in empathy is informed by the fact that free will is an illusion, but if that were not the case, I would still stand up for the people you refer to as "the dregs of society" just as much. Those "dregs" are still human beings. Someone has to stand up for them.

Hehe I knew you'd bite that comment, fair enough, cheers

[stui magpie]

[David]

[HAL]

Still how long? I think it could be like the Herald Sun to misrepresent something.

[Jezza]

[think positive]

Like there isn't enough **** outside of jail you need to find one inside, sheesh

As for Manson, poor boy got duped hey? Should have been dead long ago, now there's a good use for a few grams of lead

[swoop42]

David.

[ronrat]

Manson should at 80 as a pathetic individual be promised release and never get it. He can get married, to Susan Peacock.

[David]

David.

The thread title says "today", not "every day".