You're overlooking what we will probably get for Scharenberg, which we could on trade for Aish.AN_Inkling wrote:Aish will not be a straight swap for Seedsman. He's played 11 games this year despite injury and finished 4th in the Rising Star in his first year. As a number 7 pick he will definitely cost us more. Lions will be after a first round pick.
With our focus on Treloar I wouldn't be surprised if Aish went elsewhere, especially as we also look to be chasing a ruck.
Kreuzer to Pies??
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If it did happen though, a swap of Scharenberg for Aish means we lose very little if anything. They are two closely matched prospects.RudeBoy wrote:You're overlooking what we will probably get for Scharenberg, which we could on trade for Aish.AN_Inkling wrote:Aish will not be a straight swap for Seedsman. He's played 11 games this year despite injury and finished 4th in the Rising Star in his first year. As a number 7 pick he will definitely cost us more. Lions will be after a first round pick.
With our focus on Treloar I wouldn't be surprised if Aish went elsewhere, especially as we also look to be chasing a ruck.
Seedsman in a direct swap for Aish though is never happening.
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I'm not a fan of free agency and I certainly didn't agree with recruiting Lynch or Young, but don't think that's the point here. I think Kreuzer could be a very handy player. My issue is do we need him? Would a fit and in form Kreuzer enhance our team sufficiently more than Grundy/Witts/Cox to justify getting him? Would he compliment our existing rucks and/or ruck-forwards or be detrimental to their development?Deja Vu wrote:Seriously we have to stop topping up super funds of hasbeen players through free agency. Young, Lynch and now Kruezer? Any chance we could use free agency for a decent player?
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Going by his injured state and lack of consistent form at times, I don't think so.jackcass wrote:I'm not a fan of free agency and I certainly didn't agree with recruiting Lynch or Young, but don't think that's the point here. I think Kreuzer could be a very handy player. My issue is do we need him? Would a fit and in form Kreuzer enhance our team sufficiently more than Grundy/Witts/Cox to justify getting him? Would he compliment our existing rucks and/or ruck-forwards or be detrimental to their development?Deja Vu wrote:Seriously we have to stop topping up super funds of hasbeen players through free agency. Young, Lynch and now Kruezer? Any chance we could use free agency for a decent player?
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He will improve out team. Can more easily play with Grundy than Witts can.jackcass wrote:I'm not a fan of free agency and I certainly didn't agree with recruiting Lynch or Young, but don't think that's the point here. I think Kreuzer could be a very handy player. My issue is do we need him? Would a fit and in form Kreuzer enhance our team sufficiently more than Grundy/Witts/Cox to justify getting him? Would he compliment our existing rucks and/or ruck-forwards or be detrimental to their development?Deja Vu wrote:Seriously we have to stop topping up super funds of hasbeen players through free agency. Young, Lynch and now Kruezer? Any chance we could use free agency for a decent player?
But again, most importantly it means that Witts is tradeable and can help in getting our deals done, especially for Treloar.
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Yeah, I'm not so sure and I'm firmly in the retain Witts camp. I'm not doubting his ability or as concerned about his injury history as some. Just think that with Grundy, Witts, Cox, Moore, White and potentially Keeffe, the ruck isn't an area we need to bolster and I think his recruitment would in fact derail the development of the kids we already have.AN_Inkling wrote:He will improve out team. Can more easily play with Grundy than Witts can.jackcass wrote:I'm not a fan of free agency and I certainly didn't agree with recruiting Lynch or Young, but don't think that's the point here. I think Kreuzer could be a very handy player. My issue is do we need him? Would a fit and in form Kreuzer enhance our team sufficiently more than Grundy/Witts/Cox to justify getting him? Would he compliment our existing rucks and/or ruck-forwards or be detrimental to their development?Deja Vu wrote:Seriously we have to stop topping up super funds of hasbeen players through free agency. Young, Lynch and now Kruezer? Any chance we could use free agency for a decent player?
But again, most importantly it means that Witts is tradeable and can help in getting our deals done, especially for Treloar.
I do agree though that if we were to recruit him Witts does become more tradable.
Where is Kruzzy be part of a premier team 2017 ?MagpiesTheGreat wrote:He is the solution that Pies have been crying out for years since Leigh Brown retired. IMHO, he is more fitting than Treloar/Aid blah blah blah. He would resolve many headaches/weaknesses that Pies have got. Come on board Kruzzy, be part of a premier team 2017.
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So are you the the "we need more midfielders/halfbacks" camp or do you agree we need at least ONE good KPP?jackcass wrote:Yeah, I'm not so sure and I'm firmly in the retain Witts camp. I'm not doubting his ability or as concerned about his injury history as some. Just think that with Grundy, Witts, Cox, Moore, White and potentially Keeffe, the ruck isn't an area we need to bolster and I think his recruitment would in fact derail the development of the kids we already have.
I do agree though that if we were to recruit him Witts does become more tradable.
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The great thing about Kreuser is that - assuming he passes a stringent medical - he is a fantastic mark and terrific reader of the game. He has footy smarts. Sure, he's a little slow, but is quicker than Witts. It's his ability to take strong marks around the ground which is his greatest asset, and one that we have been sorely missing, ever since Jolly retired. If we land him and get 4 good years out of him, that could well help deliver us 2 Premierships, and by that time, Grundy will be the best ruckman in the AFL.
I've been saying for a couple of years now, that having a dominant ruckman is the key to our Premiership success. Relying on both Witts and Grundy, two young developing ruckmen, was not ideal. Having a mature A grade ruckman alongside an emerging ruckman is ideal. The Kreuser/Grundy partnership would be ideal. Throw in Treloar and maybe Aish, then we are suddenly a genuine flag threat in 2016.
I've been saying for a couple of years now, that having a dominant ruckman is the key to our Premiership success. Relying on both Witts and Grundy, two young developing ruckmen, was not ideal. Having a mature A grade ruckman alongside an emerging ruckman is ideal. The Kreuser/Grundy partnership would be ideal. Throw in Treloar and maybe Aish, then we are suddenly a genuine flag threat in 2016.