Post match: Pies lose to Dons. All comments please.

[Jezza]

[Dave The Man]

As if Moore couldn't have out-run that ESSENDON dead-shit in the dying minutes to waltz into goal? But no, had to kick it to the opposition, like we do like no other team.

Easy to say that when you are not out there.

More Senior Players then Moore made just a big as mistakes during the game

[Neil Appleby]

[think positive]

Well I was there, and it was artic cold, and a damn terrible waste of time and money to watch them run around like headless chooks, and not even trying to win against a team of damn drug cheats. So allow me my rant.

[think positive]

I never have a problem with losing, but not trying is never acceptable.

[Pies4shaw]

^^^ It is if you're trying to secure pick 7 to trade to GWS.

That shouldn't be how it is but, unfortunately, that's the way of things.

The AFL needs to change the stupid arrangement whereby you can actually work out how much you can improve your pick by losing and how much you can worsen it by winning. There should be some form of lottery or, better still, an arrangement whereby the high picks are some sort of reward for performance (say, the first 5 picks are awarded in the same order as the teams finish from 14th to 18th).

The way to avoid teams playing "dead" late in the season is to give them something to play for.

Actually, given that finishing between 5th and 8th is a complete waste of time (you get punished with a later draft pick and you have no chance of winning a premiership), I'm open to the possibility that there be a series of small competitions for draft order (so, perhaps, the top 4 teams just get picks, as presently, 16, 15, 14 and 13 but then the picks are allocated as 9, 10, 11 and 12, then 5, 6 7 and 8 and 1, 2, 3 and 4).

It is ridiculous that the worst performed team every season gets the best picks in every round - and the problem is only exacerbated by giving that club an incentive to get rid of its few competent players under free agency because it gets compensation picks awarded straight after its "ordinary" pick. You do have to ask yourself how it is fair that the Blooz might get pick 2 for losing a hopeless hack like Kreuzer but Hawthorn only got pick 19 for losing Franklin.

[John Wren]

Well I was there, and it was artic cold, and a [snip] terrible waste of time and money to watch them run around like headless chooks, and not even trying to win against a team of [snip] drug cheats. So allow me my rant.

clearly, you are a supporter who comes with conditions. stay home if supporting the team is such an imposition on you. waaaaa.

[AN_Inkling]

It is ridiculous that the worst performed team every season gets the best picks in every round - and the problem is only exacerbated by giving that club an incentive to get rid of its few competent players under free agency because it gets compensation picks awarded straight after its "ordinary" pick. You do have to ask yourself how it is fair that the Blooz might get pick 2 for losing a hopeless hack like Kreuzer but Hawthorn only got pick 19 for losing Franklin.

Careful, looking more and more likely that he will be our hopeless hack soon .

[Lazza]

Can we start a Nick's petition NOT to get Kreuser? To see if grass roots level feedback has a voice at the club??

[jackcass]

It is ridiculous that the worst performed team every season gets the best picks in every round - and the problem is only exacerbated by giving that club an incentive to get rid of its few competent players under free agency because it gets compensation picks awarded straight after its "ordinary" pick. You do have to ask yourself how it is fair that the Blooz might get pick 2 for losing a hopeless hack like Kreuzer but Hawthorn only got pick 19 for losing Franklin.

Careful, looking more and more likely that he will be our hopeless hack soon .

lol. perish the thought.

p4s - would you have preferred the hawks to get the second pick in the draft for franklin?

I think the destination club should be coughing up the compo based on similar formulas used for F/S picks.

I don't think FA was never meant to allow the best talent of lowly clubs to cross to the top clubs keeping them in contention longer. It was to allow free movement of players. Lets see how keen Sydney are to grab a Franklin if it's going to cost them their 1st & 2nd round picks in the ND.

[think positive]

clearly, you are a supporter who comes with conditions. stay home if supporting the team is such an imposition on you. waaaaa.

another sit at home keyboard warrior who wants to criticize me?

ok

[think positive]

^^^ It is if you're trying to secure pick 7 to trade to GWS.

That shouldn't be how it is but, unfortunately, that's the way of things.

The AFL needs to change the stupid arrangement whereby you can actually work out how much you can improve your pick by losing and how much you can worsen it by winning. There should be some form of lottery or, better still, an arrangement whereby the high picks are some sort of reward for performance (say, the first 5 picks are awarded in the same order as the teams finish from 14th to 18th).

The way to avoid teams playing "dead" late in the season is to give them something to play for.

Actually, given that finishing between 5th and 8th is a complete waste of time (you get punished with a later draft pick and you have no chance of winning a premiership), I'm open to the possibility that there be a series of small competitions for draft order (so, perhaps, the top 4 teams just get picks, as presently, 16, 15, 14 and 13 but then the picks are allocated as 9, 10, 11 and 12, then 5, 6 7 and 8 and 1, 2, 3 and 4).

It is ridiculous that the worst performed team every season gets the best picks in every round - and the problem is only exacerbated by giving that club an incentive to get rid of its few competent players under free agency because it gets compensation picks awarded straight after its "ordinary" pick. You do have to ask yourself how it is fair that the Blooz might get pick 2 for losing a hopeless hack like Kreuzer but Hawthorn only got pick 19 for losing Franklin.

so true, rewarding mediocrity is just insane. it makes tanking seem such a good idea. i cant come to termswith it, but whats the fair way?

[jackcass]

I never have a problem with losing, but not trying is never acceptable.

I strongly doubt that a senior player at any club would not try. That's not to say that they can't be off the boil a tad subconsciously and with the closeness of the competition that is sometimes as much as it takes.

[think positive]

I never have a problem with losing, but not trying is never acceptable.

I strongly doubt that a senior player at any club would not try. That's not to say that they can't be off the boil a tad subconsciously and with the closeness of the competition that is sometimes as much as it takes.

Fair enough

[piedys]

clearly, you are a supporter who comes with conditions. stay home if supporting the team is such an imposition on you. waaaaa.

another sit at home keyboard warrior who wants to criticize me?

JW... a few more performances like that [and the Richmond game] in 2016, and the club will be begging "supporters who comes with conditions" to return to the MCG to fill the vast array of vacant seats at our home games.

TP always tells it like it is, particularly when it comes to the players effort and application. She is there every week, and I for one value her observations of the teams performances highly.

Dyso