Yay or nay - should Britain vote to leave the EU?

[pietillidie]

^Ask him yourself,

I was asking him

Clarify what he meant, is what that means. You asked everything but that.

You need some R&R, grumpy. Do you still do the spa and wine relaxation sessions?

[stui magpie]

"Greed". Interesting that you would use that word to describe someone merely wanting a life as good as yours.

I'd like a life as good as James Packer but I can't just move into his house and take his stuff.

[think positive]

^Ask him yourself,

I was asking him

Clarify what he meant, is what that means. You asked everything but that.

You need some R&R, grumpy. Do you still do the spa and wine relaxation sessions?

He is supposed to be a writer, it shouldn't need clarifying. I answered what I believe it meant. And just when did he need u to speak for him? As for the rest, don't irritate me, and I won't bite. And if you intend to irritate me, don't bitch when I bite.

As usual, Stui has answered it perfectly.

[David]

[think positive]

Gee, when did I get the holiday home?? Cool

I really can't believe you get all that from my post!

And what's with bringing Indians into it? Half the doctors around here are Indian. So obviously, it's possible there

[pietillidie]

Certainly, the desire to gain access to productive capacity isn't greed. It's not about any individual's sense of magnificent achievement; these poor bastards don't even know any of us as individuals exist.

Most impoverished, marginalised folk just want a fair crack at being productive, and are willing to work their arses off if given half a chance. Hence, for example, the whingeing and defensiveness when it comes to overseas students studying so much harder than locals.

For any fair, rational human, the desire for productive access is something to be celebrated, not lamented or demonised. Surely, it ought to be realised as far and wide across the earth as possible, making us all wealthier and the planet more stable.

Unfortunately, instead of extending access to productive opportunity to more humans, that last batch of Anglospeheric Neanderthals in power - Blair, Howard and George W. - spent $3T taking it away in an act of grotesquely negligent horror.

The vile parasites who clamoured aboard that express train to hell, who represented our collective will and wealth on the world stage, were "greedy" in the most extreme sense of the term. Medically, and more accurately, they were in various states of extreme narcissism and/or psychopathy and/or delusion.

Similarly, the deranged fruit loops on the whacko cult express within the extended region concerned, or who are manipulating the cult express to grab wealth and power, are also in various states of extreme narcissism and/or psychopathy and/or delusion. That includes extremist Islamic groups and many others, given the region extend to Russia and involves plenty of TNCs and meddling global interests.

People need to get their villains right. There is nothing wrong with using villains - real villains - as a motivational tool. But "greed" is not the half of it for the most deranged warmongers and insatiable power grabbers out there.

Meanwhile, "greed" is of virtually zero relevance to those who just want to gain access to productive capacity. This desire is traditionally called hope. Hope in something more, and something better; hope which holds the human enterprise together and stops it collapsing into zero-sum carnage.

It's a pretty distorted world when the great evils and genuinely dangerous psychiatric states get overlooked or used as public relations covers, while the human hope which holds the show together is somehow cast as "greed".

To return to the OP, this imputation of "greed" on every other poor bastard out there in the world, is just one of the grubby Facebook-level PR strategies being used as justification for the objectiveless, reactionary, costly, mindless, destabilising Brexit tantrum.




The rudderless, imbecilic Brexit tantrum to nowhere.

"I don't know what I want, or why, but give it to me now or I'll wreck the joint!"

"Why can't I control everything! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! We lost our last two wars, but we used to rule the waves! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! The Beatles were British! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Our useless bureaucrats are so much better than their useless bureaucrats! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! None of our cities rank for quality of life globally, but we're still the best because, because great granddad won the war and I still have his medals on my mantle piece - next to my Charles and Diana spoon set! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[think positive]

Why do you always resort to that shit.

Maybe greed was the wrong word, I should expect for it to be taken totally out of context and chucked in my face. You two win, I won't bother anymore. My last post.

Genuine refugees fleeing from the horror of Syria now have a tougher time of it, because economic refugees have joined their journey, and when you are talking millions of people, well, it's got to spread goodwill, and money, food, accommodation, thin. Also note the reports of the genuine thankfulness of the genuine refugees, in comparison with the bullish behaviour of those following, who want a short cut to improving their lives, who by google reports are not actually fleeing for their lives. Much in the way that the good work of centre link is compromised by those taking advantage of the system. 60% of them. THAT was my point.

How much can the economies of the countries getting invaded take? And with the sheer weight of it, how much is their own security being compromised.

https://www.rt.com/news/330284-economic ... -refugees/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 36306.html



Even toddlers Have genuine reason to chuck tantrums sometimes.

[David]

Maybe greed was the wrong word, I should expect for it to be taken totally out of context and chucked in my face. You two win, I won't bother anymore. My last post.

Genuine refugees fleeing from the horror of Syria now have a tougher time of it, because economic refugees have joined their journey, and when you are talking millions of people, well, it's got to spread goodwill, and money, food, accommodation, thin. Also note the reports of the genuine thankfulness of the genuine refugees, in comparison with the bullish behaviour of those following, who want a short cut to improving their lives, who by google reports are not actually fleeing for their lives. Much in the way that the good work of centre link is compromised by those taking advantage of the system. 60% of them. THAT was my point.

The problem wasn't that you used the wrong word, the problem is what that word (and many other things you've written on this subject) demonstrated about your thinking on this.

Your dichotomy between "genuinely thankful" refugees and selfish, opportunistic economic migrants is simplistic in the extreme and barely even deserves comment. Yes, their decision to join the multitudes travelling to Europe does make things harder for refugees and the countries they're heading towards, and that's why some deterrence is probably necessary. But that doesn't mean their motivations are base; indeed, they're perfectly understandable. They want the stuff that you and I had the luck to be born into and take for granted every day. If you can appreciate the unfairness of that, you may still hold the same view on immigration policy, but you won't be blind enough to accuse such people of greed.

Oh, and by the way, the fact that some Indians are working here as doctors obviously doesn't mean that every Indian has the opportunity to become a doctor and get a skilled migration visa. Indeed, I'd guess that only a small percentage of the population have access to such jobs, and it's probably even worse in places like Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

[think positive]

Ok I'm a bad person, happy?

[David]

I'd be happy if I felt like you were actually considering what I was writing.

[think positive]

I'd be happy if I felt like you were actually considering what I was writing.

Huh, arrogance.

We all would like our opinion to be taken The way it was genuinely meant, not sure why you think you so special.

[Morrigu]

I'd be happy if I felt like you were actually considering what I was writing.

How condescending! Maybe she did and then thought as I did - blah blah blah

[stui magpie]

^

What's the old saying? Youth is wasted on the young?

[David]

I'd be happy if I felt like you were actually considering what I was writing.

How condescending! Maybe she did and then thought as I did - blah blah blah

Thinking "blah blah blah blah" or throwing back non-sequiturs kind of suggests the exact opposite to seriously considering what someone is writing.

[Morrigu]

I'd be happy if I felt like you were actually considering what I was writing.

How condescending! Maybe she did and then thought as I did - blah blah blah

Thinking "blah blah blah blah" or throwing back non-sequiturs kind of suggests the exact opposite to seriously considering what someone is writing.

Ya think - it's not like what you are writing is anything original or new - heard it all before!

It's your opinion nothing more, nothing less - and it doesn't matter how many times you say it, write it, sing it - it's still just your opinion and not some " absolute truth" that everyone must conform to.

Bit like my stance on animal rights - gives me the pip that other people don't see it - but many don't - and in the end it's just my opinion vs their opinion!