Post-match: Pies down to Carlton

[winpies]

We need to be patient with this team as I have stated before. I get sick and tired of hearing all of the doomsday posts about this club, players and coach.

Am I happy with today's result?? No of course not. But I am prepared to take the downs to get the ups. That is footy.

Those who who are so quick to post all the negatives are not true supporters. Definitely not what I would call loyal supporters.

I bet you were the ones posting all the glowing support of how we were going in our NAB games too!!

When we hit our straps (in a couple of years time as I have posted before) I hope you all keep your moths shut because you won't deserve to bask in the glory.

Keep track of all these negative people.

Go Pies!!!!

Patient? What on earth have most supporters been doing for the last few years? We've all been patient and even defended Bucks in times of adversity but there comes a point when you have to say enough is enough. This is the third year since the rebuild began and we're getting progressively worse with each passing year and week. Any other coach would have been sacked or at the very least everyone would be baying for blood but because Bucks is a favourite son this has distorted people's views on him and essentially allowed him to be immune from criticism from the do-gooders who claim to be 'true supporters' and everyone who criticises him or the club are 'negative "perceptive fellow"'.

We've given Bucks free reign to change the list and rebuild it. We gave him free reign to try and change what was supposedly a poor culture that existed from the Malthouse days and he has failed on both fronts. The list should have been largely rebuilt now but instead injuries, woeful development and some poor recruiting has cost us. In regards to culture, there's been much speculation that the playing group is divided due to the illicit drugs issue and the implementation of leading teams within our club has been a disaster in stark contrast to what has been seen at other clubs over the years such as Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney for example.

If supporters who are criticising Bucks or the club are not true supporters why don't you come to Melbourne and confront every single of those supporters who sat through today right until the bitter end and tell them how they're not true supporters. Being ultra positive and having blind faith can do far more damage than one can ever envisage so be careful what you wish for.

I don't think our NAB Cup form was all that great to be honest. There were definitely positives, but the leaking of goals and our heavy reliance on an inconsistent set of forwards was always a concern for mine heading into the home and away season and I never believed we would be top 4. I thought at best, we could sneak a finals spot this year so my expectations were not high but compared to what I expected and where we are now, we've completely collapsed.

Let's hope we can hit our straps in the near future, but I'm not sure the current people at the club including the coach will be the ones to oversee it. Only an eternal optimist can believe everything will be fine in the end and no changes need to be made.

To a certain degree I agree with what you say. What I get annoyed with are those that continually post negative comments about the club and those running it (Pres, Board, Coach etc).

We are a young side. Still learning. Are we improving? At the moment we are treading water. No doubt about it. We don't have the experience in the team.

You say you didn't have them in the top 4. I never had our team in the 8 this year.! In 2 years time it should be different.

Have I had my doubts in Buckley.....you bet. If the board and the club have faith in the the coach...so do I. I absolutely hate it when people call for the coaches head when they have no idea of what is happening inside the club. If we are having these conversations here, don't you think the club is having them as well? I bet they bloody well are. And probably harder discussions than those here. They want success also.

It is all the negativity that really pisses me off. And it happens so quickly and easily. That is why I say some of these are not true or loyal supporters.

You need to take the good with the bad.

[What'sinaname]

Please save the "you're not true Collingwood supporters" crap if you question anything about the club.

Its simply too ridiculous to discuss.

I watched Maynard today for most of the first half. If he is ever going to make it as an AFL player it certainly won't be as a backman. Apart from his obvious fumbling and the numerous times he handballed to a team mate who was under the pump, he just kept losing his man when the ball came into Carltons forward fifty. It will not show on the TV replay. If he could read the play and cleanly gather the ball and pass efficiently to a team mate I would forgive him, but sadly he need to develop this side of his game as well.

For whats its worth - how utterly depressing was it seeing Carlton (one of the worst sides for anumber of years) going coast to coast against us today.

Darcy Moore was simply superb after half time. Why the hell didn't Peter Moore have more sons ?

Agree with everything you say

[simon tonna]

only a few to comment on the umps. i think bucks has somehow simultaneously killed the players jazz and the fans as well.
maybe ill add that to the things "that bucks brought to the club"

[mandy]

One of the things I love most about Buckley interviews is that when he's inevitably asked how he feels about the expectations or criticisms that come from outside sources after a loss (or a win), he says nothing. He feels nothing. And neither he should.

Thankfully a frenzied media looking for click bait nor hysterical nuffies ranting on a bulletin board who think they're owed something have absolutely no influence on my football Club. None. Thank God.

Looking forward to next week. Go Pies.

[stoliboy]

Nathan Buckley speaks post-match
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2 ... -postmatch

Watch coach Nathan Buckley respond to questions following Collingwood's loss to Carlton at the MCG on Saturday.

[Piesnchess]

One of the things I love most about Buckley interviews is that when he's inevitably asked how he feels about the expectations or criticisms that come from outside sources after a loss (or a win), he says nothing. He feels nothing. And neither he should.

Thankfully a frenzied media looking for click bait nor hysterical nuffies ranting on a bulletin board who think they're owed something have absolutely no influence on my football Club. None. Thank God.

Looking forward to next week. Go Pies.

Patience in adversity is in short supply on here, unfortunately.

[What'sinaname]

Nathan Buckley speaks post-match
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2 ... -postmatch

Watch coach Nathan Buckley respond to questions following Collingwood's loss to Carlton at the MCG on Saturday.

I'm an excellent driver

[Magpietothemax]

Patience in adversity is in short supply on here, unfortunately.

I think Patience is in fact not in short supply at all. There are many, many supporters who have been patient and are patient still. But to question the direction we are heading at present, and why our team is playing so far below the standards we achieved even last year, is not only natural but necessary.

[yin-YANG]

One of the things I love most about Buckley interviews is that when he's inevitably asked how he feels about the expectations or criticisms that come from outside sources after a loss (or a win), he says nothing. He feels nothing. And neither he should.

Thankfully a frenzied media looking for click bait nor hysterical nuffies ranting on a bulletin board who think they're owed something have absolutely no influence on my football Club. None. Thank God.

Looking forward to next week. Go Pies.

what about the expectations of us supporters? surely the coach and players owe us something? They all talk about the joy of playing for the club in front of huge crowds - how about giving some back?

I don't buy that Bux is not affected by opinions or expectations of those outside of the club - we are all connected and in the footy community we are all in the know that the pies are on the nose!

I am not ashamed of my club - no war and no doubt I will cop it from a lot of 'friends' who love to have a go at our club - that is part of the deal of being a supporter, but I want Bux and the players to care - not just for themselves - but for each other - for the supporters - past players - for pride in the jumper!

I tipped us to beat the Bloozers but now we go into next week and every game this year as the underdog - I am looking forward to next week to erase the memory of this week - but really I am not looking forward to more of the same BS from our club - a club with premiership players still playing the game!

[Woods]

[Piesnchess]

Patience in adversity is in short supply on here, unfortunately.

I think Patience is in fact not in short supply at all. There are many, many supporters who have been patient and are patient still. But to question the direction we are heading at present, and why our team is playing so far below the standards we achieved even last year, is not only natural but necessary.

True, but some on here seem to revel in our plight, like kicking a dog when its down. Healthy critical analysis is always helpful, but the bile and hate now directed at the club by some is way out of line.

[Neil Appleby]

we must find out why our players are the most injury prone.

No Simon the drums are not beating louder. Collingwood will stick with Bucks this season as it should.

Just about every 'earmarked' player is missing from the backline. Reid is the only positive from that area. The centre players have lost form and spirit. Pendles is playing injured and the forwards are pretty much crap. Apart from Faz and Moore we don't have an in-form forward.

I understand that quite a few people posting here (and they seem to be the same <snip> that infect the Game On thread), are thirsting for blood and are happy to lay into the coach, the coaching panel, Balmey, Eddie and the trainers, but the team is very, very young and blaming and sacking is the Richmond way, not the Collingwood way.

Have we grossly overrated our list or are we just out of form? I agree that we ought to be doing better. We have enough high draft picks to be playing with far greater skill and purpose, but sacking Bucks (to bring in whom?) would achieve nothing.

Richmond has been strong in the face of similar calls for the sacking of Hardwick. They have identified that it's not a head coach issue. Richmond doesn't have the list we have and they'll make changes to their support team no doubt after their review.

I am worried, but it's never just as easy as sacking the coach unless he has lost the players. The Bulldogs and Adelaide players were not happy with their senior coaches a few seasons ago and those clubs acted quickly.

This is not the case at Collingwood. We need to stick with the club and support our players. We need to be side by side and dare I say it, grow some and stop whining like pathetic little <snip, play the ball, not the other player - bbmods>.

[Collingwood Crackerjack]

Haha, he almost said "Carlton are a very good football side".....ye Gods man, at least save some dignity and walk

[stoliboy]

Nathan Buckley speaks post-match
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2 ... -postmatch

Watch coach Nathan Buckley respond to questions following Collingwood's loss to Carlton at the MCG on Saturday.

I'm an excellent driver

Highlights:

- "Need 22 contributors as often as you possibly can"
- "When you come up against a motivated organised team..."
- "Contested ball was minus double figures really quickly in the first quarter and it was minus 23 or 24 by half time and it's pretty hard to play the game without if you are not winning contested possession"
- "At times it feels as though you are on the treadmill or treading water a little bit. We were pretty banged up today. Some blokes who were pretty sore"
- "In some ways we would like to be selecting a more experienced 22 but we can only select on the available evidence and what we have available"
- "We've looked at the mechanics over the month, we've trained it really heavily on the track. It becomes just the willingness to play your role every single period of the game and if you have a few blokes that don't do it at that time you are running 150 metres to run back to support your defence and that hurts"
- "Our defensive mechanisms are not a lot different to what the better defensive teams are doing in the competition but we are unable to make the plays at crucial times"
- "Right now it comes down to the players ability to execute it"

I gave up after that.

[stui magpie]