Post match. Pies thumped by Port. All comments please.

[WarrenerraW]

There were instances where Cloke tried to get involved in the game by creating pressure and laying tackles, but whenever he lead forward he was always a step or two off the pace. He doesn't crash packs anymore like he used to, and looks barely a shadow of his former self.

I don't know what the answer is for Cloke. Do we persevere with him or move him on... His team mates used him as a decoy from time to time. That's always a worrying sign. But I wouldn't blame him. He wasn't ready to come back. If Moore and Faz were fit then they'd be playing and Cloke would've been playing against wezza.

He'll get another go next week because there's literally no one else available but we shouldn't be playing him with Grundy, White, and Cox. That's stupid and nonsensical. We had no one crumbing at the contests today which allowed port to clear with ease.

People have called for Cloke to move to defense but he's nowhere near quick enough. Play him on the wing away from the forward line.

[mudlark]

Maybe next week we could see the return and addition of Williams ,Brown and Marsh,Cloke back to the McGoos and maybe,try Frost in the square?? Couldn't do any worse than Cloke.

Please no more Frost.Back to the reserves for him,surely?

Don't worry, DW - I'm (reasonably) confident that Mudlark doesn't really want Frost at FF.

Correct.I was having a fit of Pique.

[Doc63]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call.In the mean time stick to rugby league.

Premierships - ZERO. And its going to stay that way.

[Gonzalo]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call.In the mean time stick to rugby league.

His playing achievements have no bearing on his coaching ability.

[matrix10]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call.In the mean time stick to rugby league.

His playing achievements have no bearing on his coaching ability.

Neither does your posting- but doesn't stop you.

You and Nathan have a lot more in common than you would like to believe

[Magpietothemax]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call.In the mean time stick to rugby league.

Why attack a new contributor like this? Your facts only prove that nathan buckley was legend Collingwood champion, but says nothing about his coaching.
I think Twiggy's comments in relation to Travis Cloke might have some merit.
As for his final comment suggesting that there is doubt regarding Buckley's competencies as a coach, I think that is highly appropriate.

[The Boy Who Cried Wolf]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call.In the mean time stick to rugby league.

Coaching highlights:

(the distant sound of crickets chirping in the background)

[Gonzalo]

At the end of their playing and coaching careers I will show more respect to Travis Cloke than Nathan Buckley.

1 was able to be a key player in a premiership and the other has been the captain and coach of two of our worst eras.

[Seth]

There are some very fair questions being asked of our coach. What is his plan B when things go wrong? What forward scouting gets done especially when a known goal sneak gets himself free so much in Aaron Young. He might be a great communicator I question his tactical ability.

[Twiggy]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call.In the mean time stick to rugby league.

[Mountains Magpie]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call.In the mean time stick to rugby league.

His playing achievements have no bearing on his coaching ability.

True AFAIC. Football history is littered with champion players who had little to no success as coach. By the same token, there's plenty of champion players who never won a Brownlow.

MM

[WarrenerraW]

It's interesting when you look at the stats and see that we weren't 'that bad' on paper. However, when you watch the game, you can see that we were torn apart from start to finish.

I blame our overuse of the ball and poor skills in general. Decision making leaves a lot to be desired and our lack of accountability is back in full force.

The zone does not work and that was clear as day today. Seeing port streaming forward with ease time and time again was a disgusting sight. Where was the leadership and stability. Who is in charge on the field and showing direction and leadership??

What I saw was a team bereft of confidence and understanding of what their role was. A lot of heads down, a lot of mistakes made, a lot of dumb football.

I don't care how inexperienced we might be, there's no excuse for sloppy unaccountable football. Everyone knows the basics and should have the ability to stick to them, at least, if nothing else.

Instead we bomb in hope, handball to anyone and everyone, don't move or make space.

My favourite is when a Collingwood player manages to hit up an opponent lace out or kicks to a two on one.

Our lack of run and carry is a worrying sign especially when that's the main ingredient of the way the game is played now.

Nothing really changed when the sh!t hit the fan today.

[mandy]

Why attack a new contributor like this?

Maybe we're all getting a little but wary of all these new contributors who come rushing in to immediately bag our coach and Club.

I know I am.

[Piesnchess]

I asked for onfield comments, not another chance for you too slag the coach, no wonder you are defined a new troll.

Onfield structures are onfield matters.p

Player X or Player Y won't make a difference.

If you place them in a structure that is not AFL standard, they won't make a difference.

<Snip, you have been asked to cut out this childish name-calling before. Consider this a warning. Do it again and further action will be taken - bbmods> I have had enough of your total negative shit, I meant players pal, so now I'm putting you on ignore, you can post your drivel to others as you enjoy our losses with unbridled glee.

<Mod note: Making use of the freely available ignore function is probably what you should have done before. Others would be advised to follow your lead - bbmods>

Nobody told me the T word was now banned, since when did this happen, childish name calling cuts both ways too, its not a one way street.

<Mod edit: Yes, it certainly is a two-way street, but you were the only one calling names in this particular exchange. And in the current climate, the "T word" certainly does nothing to help matters, hence the recent crackdown. If you feel you have been abused, you are encouraged to make use of the Report button and the attached form. - bbmods>

[Dave The Man]

We conceded 9 goals from a player unattended in the goal square. The structure is not AFL standard.

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