Post match. Pies thumped by Port. All comments please.

[Magpietothemax]

Why attack a new contributor like this?

Maybe we're all getting a little but wary of all these new contributors who come rushing in to immediately bag our coach and Club.

I know I am.

OK, but you still have to consider their points objectively. I think lots of passionate Collingwood supporters are questioning our coaching. I know that I am one.

[slangman]

The club is in free fall and until the club realises Buckley can't coach, it will transcend further into free fall.

Its the common consensus amongst the group that I sit with.

[melliot]

Must have been close to 10 goals from their goal square. If we played a goal keeper, it would be a better defensive structure.

I'm not a wrap for our structure. It is flawed and continues to fail. Had a Good patch for the year for 3 weeks. But we now continue on the path of the first 5 rounds.

Round 15 we need to make a call on the coach. But I have little faith Bucks can correct the ship. We need a fresh start. Bolton and Beveridge show what a good definsive structure can do.

Injuries are not an excuse for a continued poor structure. Which is what is our greatest issue is. Goal square goals is a massive sign of it.

Dissapointing effort from players too. Pathetic really. Gave up after half time.

Lack backline leadership.

Maynard. Pfft. May as well bring in a WWE wrestler. Has no poise and no idea with ball on hand. Cox has more idea.

Not sure what else to say. Other than we need to change the defensive structure. Otherwise we are going nowhere fast.

Melliot. I am quite prepared for you,and anyone else,to tell me and anyone else who wants to listen HOW??? You would set up the Collingwood defensive structure.Now it will be fine for the <snip> to come out and make petulant remarks,but really??/ Tell us what and how you would set up a defensive structure with the players we have left standing and what roles they need to play to not allow what happened today,to happen again.

Didn't go today and just watched on fox. But went to Dogs game. Stringer was loose all day in the 50 regularly. It only needed the dogs to puch through the zone 30m and a scrap kick over and a certain goal. Our zone has the strength for not one peircing possession. It was amazing it only happen once or twice. I said watching that game we just roll the dice with our defence.

I'm not claiming I have the answer for a defensive structure. Nor should I. It's up to a coaching panel paid $2M to get it right.

Bolton and Beverage do it better. I could tell in Bolton 1st game against the Tiges this year that their players looked organised and know what to do. Our set up is a mess and typically disorganised.
It just reeks of confusion.

If it is a completely new structure that takes time to settle ( eg Clarkson Cluster), then Rd 15 should be enough time to get the whole list organised and show it works. It doest mean we win. But it holds up under pressure. At the moment ordinary sides are killing it.

[Gonzalo]

The club is in free fall and until the club realises Buckley can't coach, it will transcend further into free fall.

Its the common consensus amongst the group that I sit with.

The crowds have dropped off and the membership base is about to get eroded massively if he is still the coach.

The rise of Carlton this year, they have a poor playing list, shows how quickly things can turn.

[slangman]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call.In the mean time stick to rugby league.

What have Buckleys playing stats got to do with his coaching????

No Collingwood supporter that I know of has EVER questioned Buckley as a player and what he gave to the club.

Buckley the coach on the other hand is seperate to Buckley the player.

[Magpietothemax]

The comparison with Carlton is very apt. Their list is not as good as ours, yet their performances as a team are far better. How can this be explained except by coaching? Moreover, it is clear that Carlton's team has been instilled with confidence...confidence in their roles, confidence in each other. I think that Buckley is failing abjectly in this area.

[Gonzalo]

The comparison with Carlton is very apt. Their list is not as good as ours, yet their performances as a team are far better. How can this be explained except by coaching? Moreover, it is clear that Carlton's team has been instilled with confidence...confidence in their roles, confidence in each other. I think that Buckley is failing abjectly in this area.

Bolton had a proper apprenticeship and he learnt this in a very successful club.

He also coached his own side with much success.

Buckley just lacks these traits.

If you said preseason to Eddie McGuire and the board that Carlton would be sitting infront of you with a poorer list, do you feel Buckley's job security would be untenable?

[Dave The Man]

why do we look like such a poor kicking team when cloke is in the side? he didnt even have that many shots on goal...

and why did port always have 1 extra in the forward line?
the structure and the effort today where both poor.

The coaches and the players both hang your head in shame.

Where the hell was our small forwards? nobody crumbed anything!

Because of his Poor Attitude goes thru the Whole Club when we play.

Cloke has no use at Collingwood now

[ANNODAM]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call. In the mean time stick to rugby league.

My bold:

So because he's in NSW he can't like AFL?

Welcome aboard Twiggy, don't let some posters deter you from posting again.
People are a little more upset tonight that 2016 is officially gone to shit but hang around Nick's it's OK.

[Twiggy]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call.In the mean time stick to rugby league.

[Piesnchess]

The comparison with Carlton is very apt. Their list is not as good as ours, yet their performances as a team are far better. How can this be explained except by coaching? Moreover, it is clear that Carlton's team has been instilled with confidence...confidence in their roles, confidence in each other. I think that Buckley is failing abjectly in this area.

when you have a massive injury list like ours, and an unsettled team, its pretty hard too have confidence, we never really have a settled side. When we lost to the scum we had fifteen guys out injured, they beat a half strength dons, beat freo and port when they were lousy, and beat the cats after we had softened up the cats for them. Then they got smashed by Norf, and beat a hapless Lions, I would not be using them as any prime example.

[Magpietothemax]

why do we look like such a poor kicking team when cloke is in the side? he didnt even have that many shots on goal...

and why did port always have 1 extra in the forward line?
the structure and the effort today where both poor.

The coaches and the players both hang your head in shame.

Where the hell was our small forwards? nobody crumbed anything!

Because of his Poor Attitude goes thru the Whole Club when we play.

Cloke has no use at Collingwood now

Yep, here it is ...let's blame Cloke for infecting the whole team. Crazy stuff.

[think positive]

It's interesting when you look at the stats and see that we weren't 'that bad' on paper. However, when you watch the game, you can see that we were torn apart from start to finish.

I blame our overuse of the ball and poor skills in general. Decision making leaves a lot to be desired and our lack of accountability is back in full force.

The zone does not work and that was clear as day today. Seeing port streaming forward with ease time and time again was a disgusting sight. Where was the leadership and stability. Who is in charge on the field and showing direction and leadership??

What I saw was a team bereft of confidence and understanding of what their role was. A lot of heads down, a lot of mistakes made, a lot of dumb football.

I don't care how inexperienced we might be, there's no excuse for sloppy unaccountable football. Everyone knows the basics and should have the ability to stick to them, at least, if nothing else.

Instead we bomb in hope, handball to anyone and everyone, don't move or make space.

My favourite is when a Collingwood player manages to hit up an opponent lace out or kicks to a two on one.

Our lack of run and carry is a worrying sign especially when that's the main ingredient of the way the game is played now.

Nothing really changed when the sh!t hit the fan today.

Actually we were pretty good for the first approx 8 min 25 sec! Or were they really bad!

[Dave The Man]

That's as low as we have been for a very long time.

Today, the Collingwood Football Club was embarrassed by its players.

We are genuinely behind Carlton.

Yep Blues are better then us as they have a Actual Head Coach.

Bucks is as bad as Tony Shaw

[mudlark]

I am not a member only a barracker living in NSW. I don't get close to people within the club. I only form my opinions from watching many games on 7mate and listening to ABC and SEN radio plus spending time following AFL on the AFL website.
I agree with those who say our weakness starts with coach Bucks. I think he is a good skills teacher, but he hasn't a AFL standard game plan. I don't think he talks right for the battlefield. He is too sophisticated for a fast and furious type of game....it takes too long for what he says to sink in. I also don't like how he bags the players effort all the time. To my observation, the players are not in-sync with the game plan. I suggest that this effort bagging is demoralising & demotivating.
If the players do not believe in the game plan, its very demanding physically to run your guts out back and forth for a perceived bad game plan. I also suspect that the players are divided, probably between old and new and more possibly involving Travis Cloke.
We need to play SMARTER....starting at the TOP....that means our Mr Buckley if he is up to it.

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call.In the mean time stick to rugby league.

Why attack a new contributor like this? Your facts only prove that nathan buckley was legend Collingwood champion, but says nothing about his coaching.
I think Twiggy's comments in relation to Travis Cloke might have some merit.
As for his final comment suggesting that there is doubt regarding Buckley's competencies as a coach, I think that is highly appropriate.[/quoteI don't think he talks right for the battlefield. """THIS"""When a "Newbie"? comes in and says this man doesn't know about "Battlefields"" a newbie who wouldn't know what it means to achieve what our greatest player has achieved,then I will go in to bat for our coach anyday. EVERYDAY!!! Cue the trolls and out they come like rabid dogs. They had their tails between their legs for 3 weeks and even extolled the "Game plan" when it worked and the players played to it.It looked great. But 4 injuries and WE'RE BACK!!! like the pea hearted muppets that they are.All they while they forgot that the coach that some of them want,Bomber,took 7 years before he tasted coaching success. Malthouse 10 years,but having no common sense is no excuse when you are just a common was troll.I'll say this "Newbie"Twiggy.Nathan Buckley should not be insulted by the likes of you when it comes to not knowing about battlefields when he has a record like this. He will taste premiership success and hopefully the trolls,who will have changed names several times by then,will be gone.