Post match. Pies thumped by Port. All comments please.

[Piesnchess]

It doesn't help our structure, given the huge injury list - majority IMPACT injury.

It also doesn't help when 3 footballers with no footy IQ are in the backline:

- Toovey
- Sinclair
- Frost

That's not Buckley's fault as he alone is not on the selection committee.

Bit harsh on tooves and Sinclair, they were far from our worst today,

[Jpies]

At the end of their playing and coaching careers I will show more respect to Travis Cloke than Nathan Buckley.

1 was able to be a key player in a premiership and the other has been the captain and coach of two of our worst eras.

I think you're rewriting history there. Our 'worst era' with Buckley as captain included two grand final appearances, playing finals in 06 and 07 and a finishing very close to finals in other years. Our only shocking years were 99 and 2000, immediately after he took over. If anything, Buckleys captaincy coincided with the long term rebuild of the entire club.

7 years out of finals and a Wooden Spoon was our worst ever onfield era. Buckley was part of that.

I really find this scapegoating of Cloke by Buckley and the club as very poor. The guy has carried us for years, he is a premiership player and he has been competing against 2 defenders for years because Nathan can't setup a forward line.

He has a premiership medal and I'll always remember him more fondly than Buckley.

7 years.... Are we counting the years prior to his captaincy now? How on earth can Buckley be responsible, as a young player coming in to a mismanaged club, for us missing finals??? If anything, Buckley was one of the few glimmers of hope for supportiers during that period. I don't doubt that his coaching has not been overly convincing to date (and I agree that he is not handling Cloke well), but to suggest that his career as a player was in anything short of outstanding is simply a fallacy.

[Twiggy]

No Adams, No Collingwood?

I am a fan of Adams too....he looks good for the future captaincy.

[mudlark]

Thank you to MagpieToTheMax, a like-minded buddy and ANNODAM II for your encouragement.
I have been trying to figure out how to reply on this bulletin board, so far attempts are without success.
For now, Mudlark needs to hold his/her mud. I have been following the pies probably before (s)he was born.....just because I am living in NSW now....he assumed I follow NRL.....not interested. Love the Pies....as does more and more NSW folks get converted to AFL...

<Snip, cut the name-calling, especially towards a new Nickster - bbmods>

[Daniel]

It doesn't help our structure, given the huge injury list - majority IMPACT injury.

It also doesn't help when 3 footballers with no footy IQ are in the backline:

- Toovey
- Sinclair
- Frost

That's not Buckley's fault as he alone is not on the selection committee.

Bit harsh on tooves and Sinclair, they were far from our worst today,

Combined, that is as shit a 3 defensive players as your will find on any list.

What game were you watching, Toovey was pathetic. He should be dropped and never be seen again. Apart from the Geelong game, has he played a good game this year?

Sinclair - FMD - would he have survived on Hawthorn's list for 6 years?

Frost - had a shocker and he can play much better than that, but I would rather a young guy making such errors than bloody Toovey!

[Daniel]

Cloke should be traded at year's end IF anyone wants him, Essendon have made it public they don't.

[Bob Sugar]

Toovey struggles to execute a simple handball from close range, and don't get me started on his kicking, needs to play the year out in the 2s and then delisted, he's a spud.

[Twiggy]

Thank you to MagpieToTheMax, a like-minded buddy and ANNODAM II for your encouragement.
I have been trying to figure out how to reply on this bulletin board, so far attempts are without success.
For now, Mudlark needs to hold his/her mud. I have been following the pies probably before (s)he was born.....just because I am living in NSW now....he assumed I follow NRL.....not interested. Love the Pies....as does more and more NSW folks get converted to AFL...

OK, but no need to slag the coach after being a Nicks poster for five minutes, this has been happening far too much on here lately,by newbies, who don't seem to realise we have the most massive injury list in the League, along with the Lions, who also are really struggling to find form.

Ok I apologise to the bloggers who think new posters should be careful.... and I understand that sort of manners. I think the issue is far further up-line than our injury list....I am with those who are questioning Buckley's competencies as an experienced blogger posted recently.

[Piesnchess]

It doesn't help our structure, given the huge injury list - majority IMPACT injury.

It also doesn't help when 3 footballers with no footy IQ are in the backline:

- Toovey
- Sinclair
- Frost

That's not Buckley's fault as he alone is not on the selection committee.

Bit harsh on tooves and Sinclair, they were far from our worst today,

Combined, that is as shit a 3 defensive players as your will find on any list.

What game were you watching, Toovey was pathetic. He should be dropped and never be seen again. Apart from the Geelong game, has he played a good game this year?

Sinclair - FMD - would he have survived on Hawthorn's list for 6 years?

Frost - had a shocker and he can play much better than that, but I would rather a young guy making such errors than bloody Toovey!

Using the piss and poop as an example is a bit rich, they had and have a cream of a list, not many would survive over there, Sinkers was far from our worst player today, so don't know what game you were watching either, at least he had a go, and tooves was badly concussed last week but still had the guts to play, so give him a go.

[Dave The Man]

Being as calm and rational as possible, what changes need too be made next week, onfield that is. ? Is it time for McCaffer or Goldsack to come back in, and what about Langdon.? BTW Taylor adams, in more depressing news, said on radio today he wont be back for six weeks, so there you go.

Phillips,Aish,Brown and Marsh HAVE to Play

[Piesnchess]

Thank you to MagpieToTheMax, a like-minded buddy and ANNODAM II for your encouragement.
I have been trying to figure out how to reply on this bulletin board, so far attempts are without success.
For now, Mudlark needs to hold his/her mud. I have been following the pies probably before (s)he was born.....just because I am living in NSW now....he assumed I follow NRL.....not interested. Love the Pies....as does more and more NSW folks get converted to AFL...

OK, but no need to slag the coach after being a Nicks poster for five minutes, this has been happening far too much on here lately,by newbies, who don't seem to realise we have the most massive injury list in the League, along with the Lions, who also are really struggling to find form.

Ok I apologise to the bloggers who think new posters should be careful.... and I understand that sort of manners. I think the issue is far further up-line than our injury list....I am with those who are questioning Buckley's competencies as an experienced blogger posted recently.

with our massive injuries, not even jock McHale would make much diference now, we never have a settled side, never. Bucks will be judged by our performances by seasons end, not by us, the Board will take a long and hard look at him, so lest leave it there.

[Daniel]

Not handling Cloke well, how is that?

Cloke averages 1.81 goals a game (add 0 to that today) over his career played exclusively in the forward line.

Compare that to a Champion like Pavlich.

Pavlich was an AA Backman, played midfield when younger and STILL has a higher goals per game average that Cloke, and his team has NOT won a flag!
Pavlich has the shit bagged out of him all year, with people saying he should have perhaps given it away?

Why isn't Cloke being talked about in the same light instead of "POOR CLOKE".

Pavlich kicked 3 goals this round in the AFL (being double teamed also) and Cloke kicked 0.

Mason Cox gave Cloke and White a lesson in how to kick straight. F**king embarrassing.

Next.... apart from Cloke having one of the bottom 4 average goals per game amongst the current key forwards in the AFL, (Franklin is best and kicks 1.5 goals a game more than Cloke), he is *FACT* amongst the bottom 4 in all defensive categories;

- including 1%ers, goal assists, and tackles.

It is about bloody time time Buckley dropped this underperforming spud, who held the club to ransom in 2012 - and the Club RIGHTLY did NOT give a 5 year contract to him!

The only mistake Buckley made is playing him this week, after Clokey sooked in the media about his injuries and gave every excuse under the sun.

Did Pendlebury do this at the start of the year when he played with bruised ribs or did he say, 'I'm 100% whenever I cross the white line?'

Cloke, with his flashy boots with his surname on them, just incase he looses them, and can't afford a new pair has a peanut for a brain and will never be able to kick clutch goals.

[Dave The Man]

You can't really blame Cloke today.

The ball use was abhorrent.

He was also playing on 2 defenders.

The ball movement was appalling.

The structures didn't allow him to win his position.

Cloke had tried a Few Times but he Wimped Out a Few times and Lack of Effort was still there.

White and Cox where better then Cloke

[Doc63]

Career highlights
Club

Brownlow Medal: 2003
7x All-Australian team: 1996-2001, 2003
6x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1994, 1996, 1998-2000, 2003
Norm Smith Medal: 2002
Collingwood Captain: 1999-2007
Collingwood Team of the Century
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year: 2003
AFL Rising Star: 1993
Magarey Medal: 1992
Jack Oatey Medal: 1992
Port Adelaide (SANFL) premiership player (1992)
Port Adelaide (SANFL) best and fairest (1992)
Representative

Jesaulenko Medal: 1997
Captain of the Allies: 1997
Hey Twiggy!!! When you've done THIS Give us a call.In the mean time stick to rugby league.

Why attack a new contributor like this? Your facts only prove that nathan buckley was legend Collingwood champion, but says nothing about his coaching.
I think Twiggy's comments in relation to Travis Cloke might have some merit.
As for his final comment suggesting that there is doubt regarding Buckley's competencies as a coach, I think that is highly appropriate.[/quoteI don't think he talks right for the battlefield. """THIS"""When a "Newbie"? comes in and says this man doesn't know about "Battlefields"" a newbie who wouldn't know what it means to achieve what our greatest player has achieved,then I will go in to bat for our coach anyday. EVERYDAY!!! Cue the trolls and out they come like rabid dogs. They had their tails between their legs for 3 weeks and even extolled the "Game plan" when it worked and the players played to it.It looked great. But 4 injuries and WE'RE BACK!!! like the pea hearted muppets that they are.All they while they forgot that the coach that some of them want,Bomber,took 7 years before he tasted coaching success. Malthouse 10 years,but having no common sense is no excuse when you are just a common was troll.I'll say this "Newbie"Twiggy.Nathan Buckley should not be insulted by the likes of you when it comes to not knowing about battlefields when he has a record like this. He will taste premiership success and hopefully the trolls,who will have changed names several times by then,will be gone.

Go suck on another "lollipop"!!

Voss had a record similar to that, and 3 PREMIERSHIPS to go with it. At least Brisbane had the brains to sack him. Same with Hird, look how that turned out.

Records like this mean nothing when you cant coach.

McGuire is so far up Buckley's clacker, he cant sack him. They're a package deal.

[Daniel]

[/quote]


Bit harsh on tooves and Sinclair, they were far from our worst today, [/quote]

Combined, that is as shit a 3 defensive players as your will find on any list.

What game were you watching, Toovey was pathetic. He should be dropped and never be seen again. Apart from the Geelong game, has he played a good game this year?

Sinclair - FMD - would he have survived on Hawthorn's list for 6 years?

Frost - had a shocker and he can play much better than that, but I would rather a young guy making such errors than bloody Toovey![/quote]


Using the piss and poop as an example is a bit rich, they had and have a cream of a list, not many would survive over there, Sinkers was far from our worst player today, so don't know what game you were watching either, at least he had a go, and tooves was badly concussed last week but still had the guts to play, so give him a go.
[/quote]

I don't give a rats if Toovey was concussed last week or not. If he wasn't right to play, he should have put his hand up and said I am not right.
He's had his go, out, pathetic effort fumbled and was second to the ball most of the first qtr and makes pathetic decisions under pressure with ball in hand.

Apart from Toovey and Sinclair.... whose job was it to make sure the ball didn't get over the back and stop the easy goal?