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CarringbushCigar wrote:I don't rate Mayne - I have a had a lot of faith in he and Freo and watched them a lot.
Mayne is more likely than not to be past his best already?
Id rather take your DalSanto, your Lonergan, your Bartel types on 1 year deals to plug some holes, help the kids, hand over some IP, assess our culture etc.
I think it is freaking very sad that we offer an ok 28yo a 4 year deal, whilst Brown Blair and Goldsack look like they may walk out rather than sign contracts with us.
One bad year doesn't define a player. Go to his 2012-15 years and you will see a player who moves well, can take an overhead mark and is an accurate kick.
Now go to his 2016 year. Playing as a defensive forward when the ball isn't coming down to your forward line isn't going to help your confidence. Slowed down towards the end of the season when he was moved down to the half back line where he did well.
The question mark is on his pace for next year. Some players retain their pace (Brett Harvey) while others lose it (van Berlo). Depends a lot on injuries and how long they have played for. No reason to suspect that Mayne has lost his pace, but we'll find out next year.
Was a liability just hanging on in 2015, accuracy was shot to bits.
What are you suggesting - we going to play him at HB?
Im not saying he is a dud. Mobile leading forwards who can mark and kick straight have value.
It is possible he could recapture his 2013 form for a few years with a fresh start, good coaching etc etc.
But we are about to sign this guy on "lucrative terms for 4 years" when he seems to be on the decline.
If Mayne is as bad as you say why did Freemantle try to change his mind and then only came around, when they realised that they could potentially end up with a second round compensation for him.
You have to bear in mind also that Ross Lyon is a very intense coach who can wear players down to a point where they need a change of club environment to revive their careers. Luke Ball was washed up at St Kilda before he come to Collingwood. The criticism with Luke was that he had lost his pace at St Kilda (succession of groin injuries wouldn't have helped his cause). Pace was never an issue with Luke at Collingwood until the end (and the ACL injury didn't help him).
The reason Mayne would be getting 4 years as against North's three, is that we had to outbid them to get him. I imagine if Mayne is getting four years, there would be performance issues built into his fourth year.
Raw Hammer wrote:Daicos and Brown are like 17 years old. They'll be well past their peak at 21-22...riiiiiiiiight.
HTF can a normally bright and astute albeit eternally negative poster like CC not be able to work this out dude? Duhh CC.....
Unless he is shit stirring of course......
How many games had Peter Daicos, Gavin Brown played by the time they turned 22?
How about Sidey, Treloar and Adams?
Someone name our best 22 top-4 side in 2019 with Mayne, Brown Daicos and DeGoey in it.
In 2019 Mayne will be half way through a lucrative 4 year deal.
This is same logic as the Greenwood trade.
Are these the type of player we should be targeting to be best 22 in a flag year.
All I hear from the pro Mayne camp is we lack experience, good depth, we lack defensive forward pressure etc etc.
When we are recruiting I wanna hear hell yeah, very clever - that blokes a gun!
Top 10 draft picks play nearly right out of the box. Undersized 3rd and 4th round players in Brown and Daicos aren't walk up starts until they've had up to 2 seasons in the VFL. Good Lord!
Raw Hammer wrote:Top 10 draft picks play nearly right out of the box. Undersized 3rd and 4th round players in Brown and Daicos aren't walk up starts until they've had up to 2 seasons in the VFL. Good Lord!
And here I thought that a poster like CC would know this. Expectations that led me to a fall yet again.....
Don't confuse your current path with your final destination. Just because it's dark and stormy now doesn't meant that you aren't headed for glorious sunshine!
I am glad we are getting mayne, and daicos and brown are footy babies, they have plenty of time to develop and grow in the magoos. I cannot understand some of the negativity around here, from the same old stagers, as usual.
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Piesnchess wrote:I am glad we are getting mayne, and daicos and brown are footy babies, they have plenty of time to develop and grow in the magoos. I cannot understand some of the negativity around here, from the same old stagers, as usual.
It isn't "negativity" to discuss the likely value of a particular experienced player. This is not the Cheer Squad, it isn't game day and the player concerned hasn't even joined Collingwood.
CarringbushCigar wrote:So where are DeGoey Daicos and Brown going to play for the next 4 years ?
So you think Daicos and Brown are going to be instant coffees of the highest quality next season? Seriously, why does a delusional, forever negative, illogical, irrational and demented bloody poster like you post here? It is to get a rise out of people so that you can crack a fat, CC?
The question clearly asks about a 4 year period which is what we have reportedly offered Mayne.
How do u construe having faith in DeGoey Daicos and Brown to hold down a position in our forward line into a negative view?
Your last line is just sad and pathetic and verging on sick.
Seriously CC??? How many retirements and delistings do you envisage during this 4 year period?The "Injury crisis" at Collingwood is more likely than not,fuelled by throwing kids,prematurely into the deep end before they are fully developed to play at this level and now you are wanting Brown and Daicos to supposedly save us from our "Malaise"?? But back to the nub. I envisage that Varcoe ,Greenwood and Blair will be gone within the next 2 years and you can probably start mulling over the fact that Pendles and Sidey will have no more than 2>3 seasons left in them,prob 2 so your argument is lame.Really more like a Richmond supporter thinking that Neil Balme will ease their fragile little minds.And IF we do get Wells and NDS and even Mayne,they will last no more than 2 years,apart from Mayne, and these youngsters will not only have had their guidance and experience to help them develop,they will slot straight into a team ready to go. The premise of your argument is flawed.
Lazza wrote:
So you think Daicos and Brown are going to be instant coffees of the highest quality next season? Seriously, why does a delusional, forever negative, illogical, irrational and demented bloody poster like you post here? It is to get a rise out of people so that you can crack a fat, CC?
The question clearly asks about a 4 year period which is what we have reportedly offered Mayne.
How do u construe having faith in DeGoey Daicos and Brown to hold down a position in our forward line into a negative view?
Your last line is just sad and pathetic and verging on sick.
Seriously CC??? How many retirements and delistings do you envisage during this 4 year period?The "Injury crisis" at Collingwood is more likely than not,fuelled by throwing kids,prematurely into the deep end before they are fully developed to play at this level and now you are wanting Brown and Daicos to supposedly save us from our "Malaise"?? But back to the nub. I envisage that Varcoe ,Greenwood and Blair will be gone within the next 2 years and you can probably start mulling over the fact that Pendles and Sidey will have no more than 2>3 seasons left in them,prob 2 so your argument is lame.Really more like a Richmond supporter thinking that Neil Balme will ease their fragile little minds.And IF we do get Wells and NDS and even Mayne,they will last no more than 2 years,apart from Mayne, and these youngsters will not only have had their guidance and experience to help them develop,they will slot straight into a team ready to go. The premise of your argument is flawed.
Sidey only has 2-3 seasons left in him? At 25 (26 in Jan '17) I would have thought he'd have a few more seasons than that... then again, he does cover a lot of ground on game day so I'm assuming your rationale is that his 25 is more like a 30 or 31?
Can't say I'm keen. seems like a minor - very minor - upgrade on Blair. What would be the point of that? Is he suddenly going to blossom into a premiership-class forward just because he's wearing black and white?
OK, Varcoe has improved in our jumper (but then I, almost alone here at Nicks, liked the Varcoe recruitment from the word go), as did Medhurst. But what is Mayne going to bring us?
(Happy to be proved wrong, but I just can't see this one.)
