Post Match. Tigers def. Pies - All comments please

[PyreneesPie]

Having missed the entire second half of the match because of a power failure here on the Sunshine Coast due to the storms, I naturally have no idea what caused us to lose the game.

Still I have a few insights to offer. Broomhead has hardly had any match play in the last month. I would not have expected him to do very much in the second half. Moore I thought was very good in the first half and an improvement over his first match. My guess is that he didn't get much support in the second half. We need to play another tall in the forward line - dropping Cox made absolutely no sense at all to me. Starting Schade ahead of Dunn is another one of those risky selection moves that I just don't think you can afford to make this early in the season.

Losing the first two games of the season however is no great surprise to me. I watched the team train in November and they had about 10 players in rehab who couldn't train and of the new draftees, two were in rehab while one of the other ones was overweight. Plus we cut deeply into the list retiring a number of experienced players. So I'm just wondering why the great optimism amongst the supporters coming into the start of the season?

I'll just repeat what I said last year that the club is paying the price for poor recruitment between the years 2012-2014. We picked up one really great player in Grundy, while maybe one or two others from that period could still make it. We managed to get it right I think in the last couple of years with the players we recruited and I think Gubby Allan has accelerated the rejuvenation process of the list at the end of last year.

Unfortunately the recruitment process when you do get it right takes about three years to filter through to when you start to get payback. So I think our best years ahead are 2018 onwards. FWIW I did predict a 1-3, or 2-4 start to this season with improvement to occur from about the middle of the season. I don't think that will get us into the final 8 but I still feel we can win between 10 and 11 games.

Please don't give up on the team yet. I truly believe we are a team on the improve, not a team on the slide as a few people think around here. Once we get a few injured players back and we shuffle the team around a bit to put our best team on the park, wins will follow. We need to be patient. Calling for Buckley's head will achieve nothing.

What a sane, sensible post. No more need be said.

[Magpietothemax]

Having missed the entire second half of the match because of a power failure here on the Sunshine Coast due to the storms, I naturally have no idea what caused us to lose the game.

Still I have a few insights to offer. Broomhead has hardly had any match play in the last month. I would not have expected him to do very much in the second half. Moore I thought was very good in the first half and an improvement over his first match. My guess is that he didn't get much support in the second half. We need to play another tall in the forward line - dropping Cox made absolutely no sense at all to me. Starting Schade ahead of Dunn is another one of those risky selection moves that I just don't think you can afford to make this early in the season.

Losing the first two games of the season however is no great surprise to me. I watched the team train in November and they had about 10 players in rehab who couldn't train and of the new draftees, two were in rehab while one of the other ones was overweight. Plus we cut deeply into the list retiring a number of experienced players. So I'm just wondering why the great optimism amongst the supporters coming into the start of the season?

I'll just repeat what I said last year that the club is paying the price for poor recruitment between the years 2012-2014. We picked up one really great player in Grundy, while maybe one or two others from that period could still make it. We managed to get it right I think in the last couple of years with the players we recruited and I think Gubby Allan has accelerated the rejuvenation process of the list at the end of last year.

Unfortunately the recruitment process when you do get it right takes about three years to filter through to when you start to get payback. So I think our best years ahead are 2018 onwards. FWIW I did predict a 1-3, or 2-4 start to this season with improvement to occur from about the middle of the season. I don't think that will get us into the final 8 but I still feel we can win between 10 and 11 games.

Please don't give up on the team yet. I truly believe we are a team on the improve, not a team on the slide as a few people think around here. Once we get a few injured players back and we shuffle the team around a bit to put our best team on the park, wins will follow. We need to be patient. Calling for Buckley's head will achieve nothing.

What a sane, sensible post. No more need be said.

Do not agree. Much more needs to be said. Bucks himself predicted that we would begin the upward climb in 2017. I know it is only very early in 2017, but so far the evidence points in very much the wrong direction. The main concern is the complete and utter lack of team co-ordination. This is inexcusable for a coach after 5 years at the helm.
I will never give up on our team. And that is why alot more needs to be said.

[E]

we really needed Cloke's straight kicking in front of goals tonight.

[E]

Grundy, hallelujah! Barking outstanding! If everyone played like him tonight, 20-25 goal win easily....maybe 30-35 goals. Best game for the Pies so far, rapt. OK...40-50 goals.

I just hope to God that this is just a complete one-off team bog job this year. Nothing worked. So many players second to the ball, disinterested, confused, not sure whether to watch Rambo 1 or Rambo 2 when they get home after the game.

The team was without spark.

Play like you want to FKN win FFS! FKN woeful!

Go the Pies!

and yet if we made 4-5 of the shots we missed from inside of 30 metres directly in front (Mayne, Faz, Moore, Treloar, Faz again) we would have been 6 goals up half way through the third quarter and the game would be over.

Schade, Smith and Maynard need to be replaced in the back 6 with better decision makers. Oh i hope Dunn, Langdon and Scharenberg come back soon.

[mike2010]

Went to the game tonight and sat near the Richmond cheer squad. Didn't think it was as bad as many are saying. Overall a similar game to last week in that players gave effort but lacked cohesion and skill.

Positives:
- won centre clearances again (15-12)
- Grundy dominated ruck (against nankervis who I rate)
- WHE looks polished, will add to front half mix
- Pendles sensational, Howe very good
- less over the top goals compared to last week, defensive structure held its shape more
- broomhead got involved and will be better for the run
- no injuries for second straight week (a record?)

Negatives:
- defence looks shaky under high ball, Schade doesn't look up to it
- lots of players still failing to execute skills, kicking to opposition and costing us goals (eg Goldsack)
- Crisp was terrible, poor skills
- Blair had one kick, almost invisible
- too much being asked of Moore
- Fasolo butchered 3 great chances, has talent but needs to pull his finger out
- lack of front half connection still a massive concern

Can't wait for Elliot and Wells to return as we need their skills and creativity. Greenwood and JDG needed ASAP, to allow our classier mids to push forward.

Blair needs a long holiday (sadly) whilst Crisp and probably Aish need to go find form in VFL.

Hopefully the team can settle then and start to gel a bit. Good to get some continuity as they haven't played together much.

[Sammy]

Blair, crisp, Maynard, Ramsay, These are not footballers. No skill, no creativity, poor decision makers. Enough said.
Others who should also hand back their match payments:
Fasolo - atrocious tonight.
Adams
Mayne
Broomhead
Schade
Aish
Sidebottom
Moore
I'm sure I've missed a couple

Positives
Grundy was an absolute warrior tonight.
Treloar - must clean up disposal though
Pendles
Howe
Hoskin Elliot

Pass
Goldsack
Reid
White - just

[Monco Matt]

I guess Cloke wasn't to blame for our goal kicking woes after all. What do we do now? On a side note let me just say that as good as Pendles is he is just simply not captain material. Tonight I saw him pull out of more than one contest and he even ducked his head to phantom contact in another instance. It starts with the leadership on field as well as off, we know off field leadership is rotten, our on field leadership is on the nose too. We need mongrel in our leaders, we are TOO SOFT!

[PyreneesPie]

What a sane, sensible post. No more need be said.

Do not agree. Much more needs to be said. Bucks himself predicted that we would begin the upward climb in 2017. I know it is only very early in 2017, but so far the evidence points in very much the wrong direction. The main concern is the complete and utter lack of team co-ordination. This is inexcusable for a coach after 5 years at the helm.
I will never give up on our team. And that is why alot more needs to be said.

No worries. We all want to see the Pies rise again. Losing is always gut-wrenching, but I still believing that patience is required.

[eddiesmith]

lol, wasn't goal kicking supposed to improve this year given it was all 1 players fault and he is gone?

So glad I had a function tonight, free food and drink instead of putting up with another Buckley failure, winning!

I feel sorry for those who continue to pour their money into this club and attend every single week under the Buckley reign and actually believe there is hope. At least when I do go its with no expectation whatsoever, just to enjoy a night at the footy and a win would be a massive, unexpected bonus.

When do get to lose to Carlton?

[PyreneesPie]

we really needed Cloke's straight kicking in front of goals tonight.

It really pissed me off how the media made such an event out of Trav kicking a goal last week. Okay, I was happy for him, but it was just one goal! How many did our new recruits kick tonight? 2 to Mayne, 3 to W H_E.

[PyreneesPie]

Hopefully the team can settle then and start to gel a bit. Good to get some continuity as they haven't played together much.

Hallelujah!! Someone who can provide an explanation other than how woeful Bucks, Eddie and a whole bunch of players are!

Most continually forget how important it is that players are familiar with playing with one another - that each of them know that one player will zig while another will zag, at any given moment. It's one of the reasons why Hawthorn were so great for so long - a big stable core of players who had played together over a number of seasons and knew each others' habits so well.

[The_Staunton]

Having missed the entire second half of the match because of a power failure here on the Sunshine Coast due to the storms, I naturally have no idea what caused us to lose the game.

Still I have a few insights to offer. Broomhead has hardly had any match play in the last month. I would not have expected him to do very much in the second half. Moore I thought was very good in the first half and an improvement over his first match. My guess is that he didn't get much support in the second half. We need to play another tall in the forward line - dropping Cox made absolutely no sense at all to me. Starting Schade ahead of Dunn is another one of those risky selection moves that I just don't think you can afford to make this early in the season.

Losing the first two games of the season however is no great surprise to me. I watched the team train in November and they had about 10 players in rehab who couldn't train and of the new draftees, two were in rehab while one of the other ones was overweight. Plus we cut deeply into the list retiring a number of experienced players. So I'm just wondering why the great optimism amongst the supporters coming into the start of the season?

I'll just repeat what I said last year that the club is paying the price for poor recruitment between the years 2012-2014. We picked up one really great player in Grundy, while maybe one or two others from that period could still make it. We managed to get it right I think in the last couple of years with the players we recruited and I think Gubby Allan has accelerated the rejuvenation process of the list at the end of last year.

Unfortunately the recruitment process when you do get it right takes about three years to filter through to when you start to get payback. So I think our best years ahead are 2018 onwards. FWIW I did predict a 1-3, or 2-4 start to this season with improvement to occur from about the middle of the season. I don't think that will get us into the final 8 but I still feel we can win between 10 and 11 games.

Please don't give up on the team yet. I truly believe we are a team on the improve, not a team on the slide as a few people think around here. Once we get a few injured players back and we shuffle the team around a bit to put our best team on the park, wins will follow. We need to be patient. Calling for Buckley's head will achieve nothing.

What a sane, sensible post. No more need be said.

Sorry, I totally disagree

A LOT more needs to be said

We've had poor skill errors, deficiencies in our forward and back line structure since the mid point of 2012, we've had fitness/injury issues all the way through, we've kicked two putrid scores, we've taken a dynasty and driven it into the ditch, and if the best that is served up is ANOTHER 10 win season (which looks like a miracle right now) then he's gone...

I've more than given up on this "succession plan" - 6 years of nothing...absolutely nothing...

[mooretreloar]

Back from the game and I haven't been as disappointed after a game for a long time.

The first half from both sides was horrible football. The skill level and decision making was as bad as I ever seen from 2 AFL sides.

For the second week in a row we cost ourselves the game by a) missing gimme shots at goal (four to five goals) and b) gifting Richmond goals through skill errors and terrible decision making (four to five goals). We lost by 19 points.

The Mayne miss after the sensational tackle on Rance in the 3rd quarter was the game changer. He kicks that goal from 15 metres out, we go 17 points up with all the momentum. He missed and they score the next two goals and the momentum was with them.

We struggled to run the game out following the six day break and a very physical and tough game against the Dogs. Whereas, the Tigers were coming off a 7 day break and an easy game on the body against the Blues.

In saying all that we should be beating Richmond no matter the circumstances.

This loss is not on Buckley, but on the players, who are professional athletes and are paid very well to do their job. However, I am not surprised on here that it is again all Buckley's fault. As I have said many times on this forum, coaches get too much credit when their team is winning and too much blame when their team is losing.

The players did not do their job properly tonight. They should be able to execute basic skills of kicking, handballing and decision making. They failed in all three elements tonight and a loss was the result. There was nothing wrong with game plan, but the execution by the players was 2 out of 10.

In conclusion, Jarryd Blair cannot play another game for the Collingwood Football Club. He has been a great servant, but the game has passed him by and I am sick and tired of playing 21 v 22 each week. We need to blood a youngster to take his place, as the youngster is the future of the club and Blair is not.

[The_Staunton]

Back from the game and I haven't been as disappointed after a game for a long time.

The first half from both sides was horrible football. The skill level and decision making was as bad as I ever seen from 2 AFL sides.

For the second week in a row we cost ourselves the game by a) missing gimme shots at goal (four to five goals) and b) gifting Richmond goals through skill errors and terrible decision making (four to five goals). We lost by 19 points.

The Mayne miss after the sensational tackle on Rance in the 3rd quarter was the game changer. He kicks that goal from 15 metres out, we go 17 points up with all the momentum. He missed and they score the next two goals and the momentum was with them.

We struggled to run the game out following the six day break and a very physical and tough game against the Dogs. Whereas, the Tigers were coming off a 7 day break and an easy game on the body against the Blues.

In saying all that we should be beating Richmond no matter the circumstances.

This loss is not on Buckley, but on the players, who are professional athletes and are paid very well to do their job. However, I am not surprised on here that it is again all Buckley's fault. As I have said many times on this forum, coaches get too much credit when their team is winning and too much blame when their team is losing.

The players did not do their job properly tonight. They should be able to execute basic skills of kicking, handballing and decision making. They failed in all three elements tonight and a loss was the result. There was nothing wrong with game plan, but the execution by the players was 2 out of 10.

In conclusion, Jarryd Blair cannot play another game for the Collingwood Football Club. He has been a great servant, but the game has passed him by and I am sick and tired of playing 21 v 22 each week. We need to blood a youngster to take his place, as the youngster is the future of the club and Blair is not.

He should get a lot of blame, we've been losing the same way for 5 seasons and 2 games...

[The_Staunton]

You know what happens from here as well don't you?

Lots of Collingwood players in the paper doing community things
Lots of raffle books and giveaways
Lots more kisscams

Lots of things that make us look like a "big club" still