Post Match. Tigers def. Pies - All comments please

[think positive]

Wrong to pot Moore.

He is 21 and built like a rake.

A fool of a coach is expecting him to hold together the forward line and engage the best defender.

A fool of a coach couldn't see Darcy's development would be hindered without adequate support in Cloke.

this is what worries me, hes getting knocked around, in body and soul

[mudlark]

Wrong to pot Moore.

He is 21 and built like a rake.

A fool of a coach is expecting him to hold together the forward line and engage the best defender.

A fool of a coach couldn't see Darcy's development would be hindered without adequate support in Cloke.

As I suggested and that is why Keefe could be the man to prop him up.If Moore is to be our No1 forward he had better hone his skills in the two's and learn to kick.Seriously ,he isn't making the distance from 35 and has the kicking action of a draft horse. You can't keep thinking,"play the kids and get games into them"in the 6th year of your coaching tenure.The time is on us to be competitive.We should have comfortably won both these games but absolute disgraceful disposal under no real pressure cost us both games.

[swoop42]

Unfortunately I think Moore is both out of form and struggling under the weight of attracting the oppositions best defender with the departure of Cloke.

Add all that to his age and it's a lot to ask of a young key forward at the beginning of his 3rd season.

Ideally he'd be sent back to the VFL to find some form and confidence but not sure that will be an option.

So what are our options to provide key position support for Moore?

Reinstate Cox and hope he starts holding his marks, switch Reid forward and bring in another defender or give Keeffe a shot as a forward/ruck?

[Number 35]

If i was a new coach inbounding to Collingwood.

I would be well aware of Jason Johanessen holding off his contract talks. We need to replace Ramsay with this guy.

And i've been saying it for years. There is no doubt about it. Martin is the next Swan. Maybe possibly even more influential.

These 2 players are must gets and will make a dramitic change

[Damien]

If i was a new coach inbounding to Collingwood.

I would be well aware of Jason Johanessen holding off his contract talks. We need to replace Ramsay with this guy.

And i've been saying it for years. There is no doubt about it. Martin is the next Swan. Maybe possibly even more influential.

These 2 players are must gets and will make a dramitic change

They'd make a dramatic change to any team but it ain't gunna happen.

[Damien]

Everything aside; we kick straight in the last two weeks, were 2-0. That is a fact. Confidence is sky high and we head to Sydney with our tails up. Confidence is a big thing in footy. We need to find some somehow.

[MarkOSuv]

Everything aside; we kick straight in the last two weeks, were 2-0. That is a fact. Confidence is sky high and we head to Sydney with our tails up. Confidence is a big thing in footy. We need to find some somehow.

If Richmond kicked straight they would have put the game away. Doesn't work like that.

[The Boy Who Cried Wolf]

My gut says we'll get Martin, the Tigers would have to do pretty well this year for him to stay there and there can be little doubt Eddie will have his war chest at the ready for him come seasons end.

[Piesnchess]

Wrong to pot Moore.

He is 21 and built like a rake.

A fool of a coach is expecting him to hold together the forward line and engage the best defender.

A fool of a coach couldn't see Darcy's development would be hindered without adequate support in Cloke.

Cloke was cooked, face facts, he got one goal against us and was shithouse in the ruck, he wont improve the dogs one iota, bet he struggles against the really good sides, hes past history now. We need to recast our forward line, put Howe next to Moore, great mark, bring in Elliott and daicos jnr, and drop Fas, who is lazy, and give this kid Kirby a go too.

[MarkOSuv]

Wrong to pot Moore.

He is 21 and built like a rake.

A fool of a coach is expecting him to hold together the forward line and engage the best defender.

A fool of a coach couldn't see Darcy's development would be hindered without adequate support in Cloke.

Cloke was cooked, face facts, he got one goal against us and was shithouse in the ruck, he wont improve the dogs one iota, bet he struggles against the really good sides, hes past history now. We need to recast our forward line, put Howe next to Moore, great mark, bring in Elliott and daicos jnr, and drop Fas, who is lazy, and give this kid Kirby a go too.

Cloke will flourish under a coach who knows how to utilise him.

[thompsoc]

Even with the horrible misses, we are ahead in the third quarter.
Bucks then decides to throw an extra into defence. The backfires horribly as Rance and Houli now find room ... Richmond finally has finally found some run.

Bucks realises his mistake late in the thrid and goes back to a 6 man defence. Realising how well the loose man is working, Hardwick immediate counters by putting an extra in defence.
Bucks refuses to man this extra defender.

This continues to into the 4th. Buckley finally realises he has to man the extra defender so makes it 7 on 7 in our forward line.
We now start to fight back but the horse had bolted.

A terrible coaching performance

This is a great piece of reporting.
I was watching the game on Tv so I didn't realize these tactics.
With coaching you need to be on top of your game in 4 areas.
1. Long term list development
2. Game plan over each season
3. Gameday plan that focuses on each opposition team
4. Gameday tactics when the match is on.
On all 4 accounts I don't see much from Bux.
His game day tactics have always been very poor, what Lone Ranger said was an excellent example of where Bux is slow to react and he is not intuitive with his reactions.
I gave an example last year with the last 2 and a half minutes of the Hawks game last year.
When was the last time you saw Bux do something radical, left field or so to speak.
He is incapable of thinking outside the box.
often you can crash and burn with outside the box type thinking.
But in the long run it doesn't matter whether burn slowly or quickly.
With Bux the opposition are extremely confident of predicting his game day plan and are confident he will be slow to react to their tactics.

[Piesnchess]

My gut says we'll get Martin, the Tigers would have to do pretty well this year for him to stay there and there can be little doubt Eddie will have his war chest at the ready for him come seasons end.

I tend to agree with you, according to BT we are the No 1 club after his services. Be very handy, but I'm a bit more after a realiable goal kicker, a guy who can actually kick goals on the forward line when we need them.

[Piesnchess]

Wrong to pot Moore.

He is 21 and built like a rake.

A fool of a coach is expecting him to hold together the forward line and engage the best defender.

A fool of a coach couldn't see Darcy's development would be hindered without adequate support in Cloke.

Cloke was cooked, face facts, he got one goal against us and was shithouse in the ruck, he wont improve the dogs one iota, bet he struggles against the really good sides, hes past history now. We need to recast our forward line, put Howe next to Moore, great mark, bring in Elliott and daicos jnr, and drop Fas, who is lazy, and give this kid Kirby a go too.

Cloke will flourish under a coach who knows how to utilise him.

Bullshit, hes lazy and wont change, he will do nothing for the dogs, hes only in cos of Rougheads injury, I know five ardent dogs fans who loathe him, don't want him, the call him Cloke the Dope, that's how much they think of him. Bevo will soon wake up to him and hes back in the Magoos, especially if they lose tonight, which they well could. Cloke had numerous chances with us, and let us down, dunno why you are so obsessed in him, those Dogs fans don't even want him.

[MarkOSuv]

Cloke will flourish under Beveridge because Bevo has people skills. He will also flourish because the Dogs have a clear system that means players have roles.

He was a scapegoat last year and he was played in a shambolic system of play.

[BEAMER09]

Wrong to pot Moore.

He is 21 and built like a rake.

A fool of a coach is expecting him to hold together the forward line and engage the best defender.

A fool of a coach couldn't see Darcy's development would be hindered without adequate support in Cloke.

another BINGO.

By the time he is 24-25 he will have a 30yr old body.