Stupid or Guilty

[Pies4shaw]

^^^ The job was to clean up all the dirty, black plastic bags in Colombia and then on to Heathrow to rid the world of all known diseases.

[HAL]

That's some cleaning job!

I will mention that to my , mr nice guy does it.

[HAL]

^^^ The job was to clean up all the dirty, black plastic bags in Colombia and then on to Heathrow to rid the world of all known diseases.

When was this exactly?

[Culprit]

The quicker she fesses up the better for her. 6 years is better than 20.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/cassandr ... vxr4z.html

[Woods Of Ypres]

'I didn't do it Mum'

[luvdids]

The quicker she fesses up the better for her. 6 years is better than 20.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/cassandr ... vxr4z.html

Too bad, so sad I say.

Mummy said she was on a "working holiday". So, being self employed, why would someone in Hong Kong be buying her ticket?? She really does think we're all stupid. She should have blamed baggage handlers, coz that theory worked so well!

[stui magpie]

lets assume for a second she's guilty. If so, you could easily argue she's dead set stupid, I already said as much earlier.

However, in hindsight, not everyone has the same concept of risk vs reward, nor do they have the same concept of facing the consequences of their actions. It's like there's no such thing as 'common sense".

To someone like me, who i think is reflective of the majority of people, some people just appear to be slow learners.

People who try to avoid speeding, drink driving, taking illicit drugs etc generally do so because to them the risk (aka consequences) outweighs the reward. If, however, you discount the consequences because you either don't fear them, don't think it will happen to you, or for whatever reason the reward is highly valued, your risk vs reward behaviour is different to normal / average.

i've known a few people like that over the journey, shit I've been one in some instances, but it seems to be more common in the current generation than it has in past ones.

So let's assume she's guilty and she's not, by definition, either an imbecile or a moron or has a learning disability, she either has an aberrant risk v reward behaviour profile or she was promised some reward that for her sealed the deal.

[David]

I think we can feel sympathy for her on those grounds, absolutely. Doesn't make her any less guilty than any other low-level drug courier out there. Everybody has a reason.

[ronrat]

I see her Dad has directed enquiries to his lawyer. Good move. With no embassy presence there and an implausible story he doesn't want to piss off another country. A nedia frenzy helps no one. If she pleads guilty and they catch the other bloke she could serve part of her sentence in Australia and get out a reasonably young woman.

[Culprit]

The more information that rolls out, the worse it looks. (Skeletons in the cupboard) http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up ... 51807fc4da

[Pies4shaw]

^^^ Nor is her position improved by the rather remarkable public statements by her lawyer to the effect that she should plead guilty and do the time. These are, in our legal system, things that tend to remain firmly confidential between lawyer and client on the basis that the lawyer's advice is, of course, the subject of legal professional privilege, capable of being waived only by the client (and not by the lawyer).

I have no knowledge of the Colombian legal system, of course, but it would surprise me if those sorts of public statement by one's own lawyer aren't (at the least) a little bit prejudicial to the prospect of one successfully defending a criminal proceeding on a plea of "not guilty".

[think positive]

^^^ Nor is her position improved by the rather remarkable public statements by her lawyer to the effect that she should plead guilty and do the time. These are, in our legal system, things that tend to remain firmly confidential between lawyer and client on the basis that the lawyer's advice is, of course, the subject of legal professional privilege, capable of being waived only by the client (and not by the lawyer).

I have no knowledge of the Colombian legal system, of course, but it would surprise me if those sorts of public statement by one's own lawyer aren't (at the least) a little bit prejudicial to the prospect of one successfully defending a criminal proceeding on a plea of "not guilty".

Yeah, not good! Kinda common sense to shut your gob!

[ronrat]

Why would someome who can't speak the lingo go halfway acruss the globe to promote a personal trainer business of one person. Personal trainer in that part of the world oftem neans gigilo and or hooker. Well it does in the West Indies. Anyone who falls for crowd funding etc for this bimbo has more money than sense. let her do her time if found guilty and sell her story to a publisher. Then she can pay back all her creditotrs including the Australian Government.

[stui magpie]

^^^ Nor is her position improved by the rather remarkable public statements by her lawyer to the effect that she should plead guilty and do the time. These are, in our legal system, things that tend to remain firmly confidential between lawyer and client on the basis that the lawyer's advice is, of course, the subject of legal professional privilege, capable of being waived only by the client (and not by the lawyer).

I have no knowledge of the Colombian legal system, of course, but it would surprise me if those sorts of public statement by one's own lawyer aren't (at the least) a little bit prejudicial to the prospect of one successfully defending a criminal proceeding on a plea of "not guilty".

Point taken.

My understanding of the comments was that he wasn't talking about her actual guilt or innocence but how Colombian law worked in these situations and that, basically, she was screwed and had no defence to plead not guilty.

[Pies4shaw]

And he would charge what per hour for such advice?