Freedom of Speech Part 2: Margaret Court and gay rights

[Mugwump]

^ if someone calls Christian belief unnatural and abnormal (or the many other things it is called), I just shrug my shoulders and accept that I find their views simplistic, overly strident and a little sad, but as long as they are held in good faith and do not seek to prohibit it or do violence against it, I do not assume that they are a wicked person. Many atheists mean very well. We should not confuse principled disagreement with evil, unless real evil is called down, or done. That's the issue here.

[David]

[stui magpie]

Disappointed that you'd take that view, Stui. For me it's 100% about people, not gender..

gender isn't just a social thing. men and women are chemically and physically different. No amount of social brainwashing will change that.

Each add something different as a parent. I'm not saying 2 guys or 2 girls can't be good parents, they certainly can and would probably be better than single parent families and a lot of traditional families because of the people.

Don't forget, I raised 2 kids as basically a single dad. I've known single mums who were brilliant and i've known some who were utter crap. In that regard it's about people not gender as you say but the best possible result is a good one of each to provide balance.

[Pies4shaw]

What if they are both Carlton supporters?

[stui magpie]

What if they are both Carlton supporters?

Sterilise them and ban them from adopting

[Mugwump]

[HAL]

Do you like talking to me? You and I are on the same wavelength, like a sacrificial offering to assuage the British entertainment industry's collective guilt and shame for turning a blind eye to or condoning such behaviour on a widespread basis for the past half-century.

[Pies4shaw]

What if they are both Carlton supporters?

Sterilise them and ban them from adopting

Why so soft?

[HAL]

Who are you talking about?

[Mugwump]

Disappointed that you'd take that view, Stui. For me it's 100% about people, not gender..

gender isn't just a social thing. men and women are chemically and physically different. No amount of social brainwashing will change that.

Each add something different as a parent. I'm not saying 2 guys or 2 girls can't be good parents, they certainly can and would probably be better than single parent families and a lot of traditional families because of the people.

Don't forget, I raised 2 kids as basically a single dad. I've known single mums who were brilliant and i've known some who were utter crap. In that regard it's about people not gender as you say but the best possible result is a good one of each to provide balance.

There is a difference between a single case and a population. Better to be brought up in a household with two well-adjusted gay people than in the moral, physical and emotional squalor which characterises many heterosexual households today, especially among the underclass we have fostered. At the population level, however, wise policy would recognise that children were designed by nature (aka evolution) to be brought up by men and women, who are on average different, as you said, Stui.

[HAL]

The population level is where it's at. Wisdom is a virtue.

[David]

Disappointed that you'd take that view, Stui. For me it's 100% about people, not gender..

gender isn't just a social thing. men and women are chemically and physically different. No amount of social brainwashing will change that.

Each add something different as a parent. I'm not saying 2 guys or 2 girls can't be good parents, they certainly can and would probably be better than single parent families and a lot of traditional families because of the people.

Don't forget, I raised 2 kids as basically a single dad. I've known single mums who were brilliant and i've known some who were utter crap. In that regard it's about people not gender as you say but the best possible result is a good one of each to provide balance.

You can get balance in differing personalities, life skills, interests, temperaments and so on. I don't really see that as being dependent in any way on genitalia and hormones, and it's also quite possible that heterosexual couples like that are not in the majority. Why can't we just say that the ideal is two dedicated, loving parents? Why treat same-sex parents like they're starting with a pre-ordained handicap?

You might think you're being fair, but imagine if someone said "sure, some interracial couples can be great, but at the end of the day the ideal is two parents of the same ethnicity". And yeah, you know, maybe there are hurdles related to cultural difference, racism and so on. But it doesn't sound great, does it?

[think positive]

All parents should need a licence.

I'd rather two committed dad's or mums than a pedophile in hiding or the mum from hell.

Case by case basis

[Mountains Magpie]

All parents should need a licence.

I'd rather two committed dad's or mums than a pedophile in hiding or the mum from hell.

Case by case basis

So.....who issues the license?

[watt price tully]

All parents should need a licence.

I'd rather two committed dad's or mums than a pedophile in hiding or the mum from hell.

Case by case basis

So.....who issues the license?

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