Why is the arts so hostile to conservatism?

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^ You need to read books in their historical content, not through the lens of 21st Century attitudes. Practically everyone was a monarchist and an imperialist in Victorian England.

All that aside, I neglected to make the most telling criticism of your silly claim that "the best literature was right-wing" - which is, of course, that you (a conservative) are defining what counts as "the best". It's like saying:

"All nice people are white."

(What evidence do you have for that?)

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Tannin wrote:Phillistine! You obviously don't know that tax avoidance is the greatest art of all.
Quite so :lol: :lol:
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Charles Dickens anyone?
The poetry of George Eliot? Great Grandmother of Jamie.
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Oops. Too much data.
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Huh ? Nowhere did I write that "the best literature was right wing". I wrote as follows :

QUOTE "Many, indeed most, of the great writers of the first half of the twentieth century are broadly on the right - Kipling, Eliot, Yeats, Larkin, Conrad, Faulkner, Conan Doyle, Ted Hughes. DH Lawrence. Probably Thomas Hardy. There are many exceptions - Orwell, Auden and others - but the overwhelming tenor of poetry and prose writing up until about 1960 is on the right." End quote

Good (and bad) art can be written from either (or no) political viewpoint, and it has often been written from a politically Conservative one. It's a function of the age, not the laws of great writing or the particular genius of the Leftist world view.

As to the lefties are smarter than rightists stuff, well, yes, if graduates have been indoctrinated by leftist academics for the last sixty years, you might get that sampling across an entire population of educated and uneducated people. If you compare mainstream right-wing graduates and mainstream Left-wing graduates your finding disappears, like the illusion it is.
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I don't think that's possible. More than a million?
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So Conservatives are dumb dumbs so can't do arts? Ok.

Physically weak men are more likely to be leftist progressives, the physically weak are more likely to be in arts. I like this game.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/16850/stu ... stigiacomo#
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Wokko wrote:So Conservatives are dumb dumbs so can't do arts? Ok.

......

http://www.dailywire.com/news/16850/stu ... stigiacomo#
I'd get that coffee you had this morning drug tested.

& please don't use Presti's name in such vain
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Wokko wrote:So Conservatives are dumb dumbs so can't do arts? Ok.

Physically weak men are more likely to be leftist progressives, the physically weak are more likely to be in arts. I like this game.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/16850/stu ... stigiacomo#
That actually sounds plausible to me. Testosterone junkies are less likely to be sensitive, introspective types!
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David wrote:
Wokko wrote:So Conservatives are dumb dumbs so can't do arts? Ok.

Physically weak men are more likely to be leftist progressives, the physically weak are more likely to be in arts. I like this game.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/16850/stu ... stigiacomo#
That actually sounds plausible to me. Testosterone junkies are less likely to be sensitive, introspective types!
I'm sensitive, introspective, a capable enough writer but also athletic and conservative. When I was younger I was skinny and socialist :lol:
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I think Tannin's post is the biggest load of crap he's ever written.

I was in Ballarat today and it's clear the cold has his brain misfiring.

Artistic creativity has no link to intelligence. You get smart ones and dumb ones.

if his tongue wasn't firmly planted in his cheek while typing that he should get to Ballarat hospital ASAP for a brain scan.
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Tannin wrote:Jack Spain is well-educated
Really ? A bad case of polishing a suede shoe, then, that one. From memory, Jack was the genius that wanted Malthouse sacked right through 2007-2009 then claimed personal credit for the changes that led to 2010 before being heckled off stage.
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Tannin wrote:Here on Nick's, for example, Stui is intelligent.
stui magpie wrote:I think Tannin's post is the biggest load of crap he's ever written.
I agree. Obviously, I got it wrong.
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Mugwump wrote:
Tannin wrote:Jack Spain is well-educated
Really ? A bad case of polishing a suede shoe, then
Just so. Educated != intelligent != sensible. Never knew a man with a better-honed talent for getting it wrong. But outstanding language skills, which he presumably learned somewhere.
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