UK Election June 8th

[David]

[Mugwump]

^ yes, that's an example of what I meant in my post above.

Ms. Davidson wants to be a bit careful, though - most of the British public see expansions in gay rights as a very marginal matter, compared to the country-defining matters that lie immediately ahead.

[Mugwump]

As usual these days, I reckon Jonathon Pie sums up the situation nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsGVghRBdKI

Well, maybe, except nothing he said between the gratuitous f-words was even slightly true. Take the first four substantive sentences :

1. The U.K. Election was fair and open and conducted within a free society. Nothing like Turkey, in other words, as he hyperbolizes.

2. Whatever May's faults -and they are many - she does not "propose to steamroll every f.....g liberty we have" any more than Corbyn, and neither probably propose that much ( though the history of Corbyn's Marxist ideology is ground for suspicion on that point). People who live in free societies should not be flippant about it.

3. "She lost, he won" .... not true by 60 seats.


4 "Two conservative PMs in two years have gone to the country arrogantly believing that they can dictate how the people should vote". I can't imagine or recall a political leader from either party ever saying "I don't really mind how you vote"

I'll give up processing it from the fourth sentence, but having listened to the end, i found that it remained arrogant, unfunny and flat wrong throughout. It is too easy to accept something as true if it is presented with boundless self-certainty and does not challenge our underlying world-view.

[watt price tully]

As usual these days, I reckon Jonathon Pie sums up the situation nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsGVghRBdKI

Well, maybe, except nothing he said between the gratuitous f-words was even slightly true. Take the first four substantive sentences :

1. The U.K. Election was fair and open and conducted within a free society. Nothing like Turkey, in other words, as he hyperbolizes.

2. Whatever May's faults -and they are many - she does not "propose to steamroll every f.....g liberty we have" any more than Corbyn, and neither probably propose that much ( though the history of Corbyn's Marxist ideology is ground for suspicion on that point). People who live in free societies should not be flippant about it.

3. "She lost, he won" .... not true by 60 seats.


4 "Two conservative PMs in two years have gone to the country arrogantly believing that they can dictate how the people should vote". I can't imagine or recall a political leader from either party ever saying "I don't really mind how you vote"

I'll give up processing it from the fourth sentence, but having listened to the end, i found that it remained arrogant, unfunny and flat wrong throughout. It is too easy to accept something as true if it is presented with boundless self-certainty and does not challenge our underlying world-view.

Mugwump it was satire for goodness sake My goodness me trying to deconstruct over the top humour? Lighten up.

[Mugwump]

Nope, it was mindless political propaganda trying to sneak around the back in bad camouflage. Satire is only satirical when it has a powerful truth behind it. John Clarke - also a Leftist - was a profound master at this. He actually nailed things with a remorseless logic and wit. He described satire, with his usual whimsical genius, as "exposing the way in which the powerful hold the powerless up to ridicule and contempt". Truth is at the core of great satire, and since this was presented as having "nailed it", I thought it was worth thinking critically about it for a minute. This rubbish influences minds far more than reasoned argument, as I am sure you know. I'd have felt the same about it if it had come from the right, too.

[Jezza]

Final Results

Turnout = 68.7% (highest turnout since the 1997 election when Blair was elected).

Conservatives = 317 (42.4%)
Labour = 262 (40.0%)
SNP = 35 (3%)
Lib Dems = 12 (7.4%)
DUP = 10 (0.9%)
Sinn Fein = 7 (0.8%)
Plaid Cymru = 4 (0.5%)
Green = 1 (1.6%)

Need 326 to form government.