Border Control (Saudi Arabia issues demands to Qatar)

[Mugwump]

14% in the U.K. Compared to ca 5% of the population. Could have many root causes of course but it adds to a bad story overall. A lot of our "martyrs" seem to have been radicalized in prison, too. I suppose you'd have to correct for socioeconomic and other factors to get a sense of whether criminality is disproportionate and the possible causes.

[David]

Do you have the link there, Stui? Those certainly do seem to be surprising statistics.

[stui magpie]

Do you have the link there, Stui? Those certainly do seem to be surprising statistics.

The stat is in here FWIW. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... 04b1e6c4a2

[David]

[stui magpie]

I also saw something in the Daily Mail which quoted a similar percentage of muslims in the high security prisons in England. That one also made mention of the number of inmates converting to Islam while in prison.

[Culprit]

^^Islam is the poor persons religion. The woe is me religion.

[HAL]

What else is the poor persons religion?

[Skids]

[HAL]

But some are.

[Skids]

[ronrat]

One of the first Pendennis men to walk free from jail was Khaled Sharrouf, released after four years for having bomb-making materials in 2009.

In 2013, he fled Australia on a borrowed passport to fight with ISIS in Syria.

It is unclear whether Sharrouf, who took his family to Syria and famously posted online photographs of his son holding the severed heads of ISIS victims, has died in battle.

It is believed his comrade-in-arms, Mohamed Elomar, did perish in a rocket attack in Syria or Iraq.

http://www.news.com.au/news/inside-aust ... f2978b307d[/quote]

Good idea. Remove all protection stauts to Sharrouf and his families,They should never ever be allowed back and legislate to stop the inevitable asylum lawyer industry form going to court. If he dies, his problem.

I agree that the figures can be distrorted. A lot of the aboriginal kids follow choc Mundine who followed Muhammed Ali. The majority when they get out will abandon it when they can't eat McDonalds, Can't go to a pub and the girlfriend tells him to bugger off when he says she has to wear a burqua.

[David]

Have you seen this link in the article, Skids?

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-1 ... fmredir=sm

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has defended the process for granting work rights to asylum seekers living in the community.

Around 24,000 asylum seekers who arrived under the former government are yet to be processed and those who want to work need approval from Mr Dutton.

The Greens and refugee advocates both argue that the process is inefficient and say asylum seekers should automatically be given work rights.

But Mr Dutton said the process was working and that he would continue to process each individual case, despite the task being estimated to take until 2018 to complete.

Otherwise, there are many reasons refugees might struggle to find work, including unrecognised qualifications (probably the biggest one), poor English skills, mental health issues including PTSD, disability or dependent family members. I don't know if you're trying to imply that refugees are lazy dole bludgers who don't want to work, but I expect that the opposite is true: most presumably want to work as much as the average Australian-born citizen, if not more. The answer to statistics like those must surely be "how can we give refugees easier pathways and better incentives to work", not "refugees are by nature a drain on the system who don't give anything back".

It's really saddening to see so much uninformed prejudice on this topic.

[David]

The majority when they get out will abandon it when they can't eat McDonalds, Can't go to a pub and the girlfriend tells him to bugger off when he says she has to wear a burqua.

I know you're probably being at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek here, but all these references to 'burqas' in this thread make me wonder how many people even know what a burqa is. Apparently well under 1% (or even 0.1%) of Muslim women in the west actually wear niqabs (the black full body and face coverings that most people are referring to when they talk about burqas), let alone actual burqas, and both are highly culturally specific. So the chances of an Aboriginal convert's girlfriend putting one on are somewhere between negligible and non-existent.

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/article ... qa-fallacy

[Skids]

[stui magpie]

The majority when they get out will abandon it when they can't eat McDonalds, Can't go to a pub and the girlfriend tells him to bugger off when he says she has to wear a burqua.

I know you're probably being at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek here, but all these references to 'burqas' in this thread make me wonder how many people even know what a burqa is. Apparently well under 1% (or even 0.1%) of Muslim women in the west actually wear niqabs (the black full body and face coverings that most people are referring to when they talk about burqas), let alone actual burqas, and both are highly culturally specific. So the chances of an Aboriginal convert's girlfriend putting one on are somewhere between negligible and non-existent.

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/article ... qa-fallacy

Personally I reckon ban the full face covering in public for everyone.