Terror attacks by Islamist groups

Mountains Magpie · Post by **Mountains Magpie** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:38 pm

think positive wrote:USA news reporting ISIS leader may be dead?

Yes, and for once we can happily say the Russians did it

Culprit · Post by **Culprit** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:04 pm

We have reports of a man in a van running down pedestrians in the UK. Reports say it's not a terrorist act it's a car accident. White man allegedly runs down Muslims leaving a Mosque. I see why it's a car accident.

Update, it's now a major incident.

Skids · Post by **Skids** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:56 pm

Post by **David** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:31 pm

I can really feel the condemnation dripping off your post there...

HAL · Post by **HAL** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:35 pm

Oh you can, can you?

Culprit · Post by **Culprit** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:30 pm

If it was a Muslim driving the van killing people then it would have been called a Terrorist attack within seconds. It's the reverse and they are holding off calling it a terrorist attack. Same same but different. This won't even be news in a few days.

swoop42 · Post by **swoop42** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:21 pm

It's not a terrorist attack though.

It's a hate crime.

For it to be labelled a terrorist act it would need to be IMO part of a pattern of behaviour like we've witnessed with radical Islamist's around the world or the IRA.

This crime is more akin with the douche who drove down Bourke Street killing multiple people and is more an act by one crazed individual than crimes committed because of an ideology of the many.

Culprit · Post by **Culprit** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:28 pm

swoop42 wrote:It's not a terrorist attack though.

It's a hate crime.

For it to be labelled a terrorist act it would need to be IMO part of a pattern of behaviour like we've witnessed with radical Islamist's around the world or the IRA.

This crime is more akin with the douche who drove down Bourke Street killing multiple people and is more an act by one crazed individual than crimes committed because of an ideology of the many.

We are splitting hairs. All I am saying if it was a Muslim driving it would be a terrorist attack no matter what the motive. Now, it's being called a Terrorist Act. About fckn time.

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:31 pm

Doesn't greatly matter what we call it here - it's another instalment in the Islamist war that has been declared within our society. The perpetrator in this case should be treated with the same severity as the Islamist monsters who have provoked the act. He is doing their work for them.

Culprit · Post by **Culprit** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:02 pm

^^Totally Agree.

Post by **stui magpie** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:24 pm

I'm surprised David hasn't split this into a different thread yet.

The reaction to this, particularly in London, will be interesting and informative.

Whether it's a terrorist attack or not is a matter of semantics. It's no less a hate crime than those perpetrated by the Islamic fundamentalists, it's also a retaliatory attack on innocents and deserves no less condemnation.

I fear that the reaction of the Muslim community to this will impact a lot of consequent behaviour. Demands that it be called terrorism, demands that police guard mosques and collectively playing victim will not help things in a country famed for it's stoicism when under attack.

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:39 pm

Nice to see Muslims all coming out and condemning a terrorist attack

Post by **David** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:55 pm

Nice of you to notice them doing so for once.

Mountains Magpie · Post by **Mountains Magpie** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:13 pm

If these takfiri fools honestly believe that by attacking moslems they will drive a wedge between them and the rest of the population then they're far more deluded than we give them credit for.

MM

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:15 pm

^ there are many regrettable things about this incident, above the obviously terrible loss of life and broken bodies. One of the very unfortunate side effects will be the propaganda value to the Islamists and the subtle way it licenses sympathy and "understanding" for their atrocities.

An example comes from the chap interviewed on the spot in the news this evening who said : "this is worse than terrorism - it's a hate crime". While it will no doubt be dismissed as a thoughtless and emotional remark, it does reflect a way of seeing the world among too many ordinary Muslims. Hence we need to make an example of the criminal responsible.

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Terror attacks by Islamist groups