Venezuela

[watt price tully]

[watt price tully]

Why?

real world work experience

What makes a building site more 'real' than a university? Just different kinds of work, surely, and each potentially cloistered in their own way.

Absolutely.

[HAL]

A little more.

[thesoretoothsayer]

yep, make sure you dont read stuff like this: thats just for the ignorant

http://www.academia.edu/2916251/The_soc ... s._Discuss

or this

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/ne ... 41.article

and definitely not this; i mean why should anyone in social sciences learn maths?

http://discoversociety.org/2014/11/04/f ... l-science/

My first degree's in philosophy of mathematics with a double in history (both firsts of course). How's your maths?

Is mathematical ability necessarily a prerequisite for a degree in the Philosophy of Mathematics?
After all, I could do a degree in the History of Music without being able to play a note.

[Pi]

so leading academics are wrong when they criticize the education system.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... aabea20f37

got it,

back to gender studies and critical non thinking

[watt price tully]

Some truth in rhat, Pi, but the other way a building site is more real than a university is that it exists in a truly competitive market and building workers are exposed to the choices of consumers, whereas universities are state-funded from compulsory taxation, and thus the people who work in them tend to be more complacent and immune from social and economic non-negotiables.

Secondly, i think that the average business or STEM graduate is probably more used to testing their ideas against a hard and prosaic reality. The neo-Marxist cultural revolutionaries tend to come from the Arts and Law faculties, where power, rather than truth, is the natural currency.

Brian Boyd says hello

He was a brickie's labourer who worked on building sites etc before he got a BA! I'm no fan of BB but he is an interesting example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Boyd_(unionist)

It is an oversimplification to say market forces vs tenure these days IMO. Tenure is limited these days compared to when you went to University for your BA last century

The reality these days on building sites is that there are more & more workers who are doing it tough, with labour laws increasingly eroding workers rights & on building sites: possibly one of the more dangerous workplaces we have. That is about politics not market forces whether one agree with or disagrees with the relevant policy being enacted

[watt price tully]

I think now is about the time the "but it wasn't really socialism..." chorus starts up.

Of course some people do find facts hard to deal with.

[watt price tully]

.........but in truth Venezuela is really a corrupt oil state where military populists have used the people's oil wealth to buy loyalty. I think the verdict of history is pretty clear that good societies need a little socialism to moderate the malign effects of an essentially capitalist model of allocation. .....

I agree with that part although perhaps not the exact terms, but you've hit the nail on the head Mr Mugwump.

[Wokko]

[Pies4shaw]

[Pi]

according to this doctors and dentists have the highest suicide rates


http://www.newhealthguide.org/Highest-S ... ssion.html

so it looks like us dumb-ass engineers suffering from dyscalculia who didnt do gender studies are doing ok

I was surprised about Lathe operators though

[Pies4shaw]

yep, make sure you dont read stuff like this: thats just for the ignorant

http://www.academia.edu/2916251/The_soc ... s._Discuss

or this

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/ne ... 41.article

and definitely not this; i mean why should anyone in social sciences learn maths?

http://discoversociety.org/2014/11/04/f ... l-science/

My first degree's in philosophy of mathematics with a double in history (both firsts of course). How's your maths?

Is mathematical ability necessarily a prerequisite for a degree in the Philosophy of Mathematics?
After all, I could do a degree in the History of Music without being able to play a note.

That's not a serious question, is it? In order to engage in Mathematical Philosophy, you have to be able to do the maths.

By contrast, you could (possibly, I suppose - although how sensibly is a quite different issue) get a degree (of sorts) in the History of Music without
being able to play any instrument to an adequate standard.

It's a bit more like studying piano technique, I think - in theory, I suppose someone could get a qualification in "piano technique" without being able to play the piano - but I doubt anyone much would want to be taught piano by them or take them seriously.

[thesoretoothsayer]

Yep, was a legit question.
I know nothing about Mathematical Philosophy so I was curious whether you needed to know the maths or you could just talk about whether numbers were real, exist independently of the mind etc.. etc..

Thanks for clarifying.

[Yarra Falls End]

Miss Venezuela was one of my favourite gender studies.

I thought her numbers always stacked up well.

[Wokko]

Miss Venezuela was one of my favourite gender studies.

I thought her numbers always stacked up well.

They've got some nice Anti-Government protesters too.