The 'me too' movement

[David]

[HAL]

[Mugwump]

[Skids]

Geez, if you went back to the 80's when I was doing my apprenticeship, EVERY tradesman was guilty of some sort of harrasment(going by todays sooks).

We just grew up and dealt with it.

The old style of picking up a chick would probably be seen as some form of sexual harrasment by the precious feminists and snowflakes of today.

Sure, nobody should be subjected to REAL harrasment of any sort but todays limits are a bit soft IMO.

[David]

^ I well believe it! The question is whether anyone should have ever had to put up with that.

[stui magpie]

it is an interesting view on modern society.

Firstly, the presumption of innocence must remain, but in the current cases the mere accusation is enough to ruin a career. At least temporarily in Hollywood. I don't like that. it's also pretty clear that in the case of Hollywood, there have been women who were more than willing to use their sexuality as a tool to get work in the early stages. The reference to directors and producers having a "casting couch" didn't happen by accident.

The range of accusations make it difficult to get a clear grasp on what is acceptable and what's not, along with this insistance that non-verbal clues or hints should be sufficient explanation. FFS, the way some of them carry on, the office romance is dead as no sane mane will be game to ask a co worker on a date for fear of being labelled a sexual harasser. Most blokes don't get subtle non-verbal clues that women think are crystal clear, subtle doesn't work.

personally, similar to Mugwump, apart from one short lived office romance more than 20 years ago, I made a clear personal policy to keep work and personal separate and adopted a hands off position, no physical contact with female co workers or staff at all in case it was misinterpreted.

I think what's happening is probably necessary to give the entertainment industry an enema and re-set the ground rules. At the moment, the correction seems to have swung too far (possibly influenced by the misandrist segment of the feminist movement), but it should come back and stabilise at a sensible central point within time which is what usually happens.

[HAL]

Are there any other interesting view on modern society ?

[swoop42]

Geez, if you went back to the 80's when I was doing my apprenticeship, EVERY tradesman was guilty of some sort of harrasment(going by todays sooks).

Or perhaps it was blatant harassment then as it is now and women are only now finally calling men out on behaviour that has always made them feel very uncomfortable.

We just grew up and dealt with it.

As men we haven't had to deal with anything other than a damaged ego when advances weren't reciprocated. Women on the other hand have to worry and sometimes deal with unwanted or threatening behaviour whether it be physical or verbal when dealing with a mans bruised ego or his simple belief he can get away with it because it's a personality trait of his.

The old style of picking up a chick would probably be seen as some form of sexual harrasment by the precious feminists and snowflakes of today.


I think most people in social situations enter any engagement in good faith and inappropriate behaviour is generally obvious to most in reality. Of course their are always the odd exception to this.

Sure, nobody should be subjected to REAL harrasment of any sort but todays limits are a bit soft IMO.

More likely it's just the righting of the power balance between men and women we are now seeing and we as men have to accept and realise that behaviour we thought was okay until now actually wasn't and the non objection from women in the past was done more out of fear of reprisal, intimidation or strangely not wanting to embarrass the man in the moment.

Of course their will always be incidents that very much appear in the grey to those of us not witness to it like the one surrounding Aziz Ansari whereby two individuals can read a situation totally different and come to a conclusion at the opposite ends of a spectrum.

This can occur between any two individuals of course as well all have different life experiences and personalities that influence our perceptions and it's certainly not just a male and female thing on how we see the world.

These types of grey incidents or a minority where a person might have an agenda or be mentally suspect is where the problems will arise.

[ronrat]

It is a modern day Salem witch hunt and McCarthyism. Some careers will/have been ruined and it won't all me male. Making movies is expensive and you wonder whether backers will keep doing it if there are screams every time a movie is released about some percieved slight or attention seeking claim made. Less intersting movies will be made and the public will stop going and find other things to do. It will be a feast for the lawyers as well if , as it should , these accusations are tested in a law court. Some actors will simply not be cast because the financial backers won't want to run the risk of nonsense claims derailing the project by known claimants.

[David]

[think positive]

[stui magpie]

The 80's were fun, weren't they?

Coming to Melbourne as a 19 year old kid from the bush, some of the shit I heard in the office made me cringe, and this was the era of dead baby jokes.

One woman, extremely attractive, late 20's had married a greek bloke so was subjected to a regular stream of anal sex jokes which she must have been able to hear. "Jill's sitting side saddle today, must have been a big night getting the shit chute rammed"

Big black Mauritian dude was casually referred to as "the Savage". The man could drink though. Early on, no one would get in a shout with me on a Friday night after work as I drank too fast. (Dad's training). Eric came down one night and said "I'll drink with you Stui, but I only have 3 pots". Say that in your head in a deep Jamaican accent and you're close. Basically skolled 3 pots in about 3 minutes and off he went. I went solo after that and slowed down a tad.

[think positive]

Hehe

[ronrat]

Walk on girls in darts and maybe grid girls are gorn. Friend of mine who is now a Dr as in a PHD in gene therapy did a gig. 4 times the pay, free uniforms and free salon vouchers. Waved a few flags and went upstairs to serve beers.
I have worked as a marshall at golf (I was free) and the drink girls included the now wife of an ex Pie forward. She worked on a few quiz quiz shows. Without those gigs she was unemployable. Do you want attractive girls to do , Go on the game. They are not all bimbos.So either get rid of HECs or let them do what they do. Or just say so sorry you are too attractive to be employed. Have a look at the well paid sportsmans WGs. Ugly are they. Scrap the red carpet at the Brownlow then.

[think positive]