No Wonder So Many People are Depressed

[HAL]

Are you giving table from the same Eisner paper that David provided the link to relevant along with the graphs to the alleged increase in homicide rates starting in the 60s to me?

[K]

And a figure I tried unsuccessfully to attach to the previous post... [log in to view]
Of course, because the US rate is so large, the other five countries' lines are a bit squashed down the bottom.

From an OECD report. "Source: Clio-Infra, www.clio-infra.eu.

[Note: I'm a little more convinced that the Canada curve agrees with the one shown previously (in the range where they overlap) than that the Oz curve agrees with the one on the previous page.]

[K]

From Statistics Canada, homicides and attempted murders from 1962 on. [Log in to view.]
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11- ... 01-eng.htm .

This graph also seems to add support to the claim that advances in trauma care have reduced lethality, at least between the 60s and 80s. Completed homicides start much higher but are overtaken by attempted murders by the mid 70s.

[Mugwump]

^ good data, K.

So Canadian homicide rates, after a significant retreat, are now about 3x the rate they were in the early-mid 1960s, despite transformative advances in trauma surgery across the past 50 years. Right across the Western world, it seems. Liberals, always somewhere else when the trigger is being pulled, never imagine it might have anything to do with their "progressive" reforms.

[David]

[stui magpie]

Is thread even remotely on track?

Asking for a friend

[think positive]

Is thread even remotely on track?

Asking for a friend

well you can tell your friend its pretty depressing!

[K]

What friend? A Nickster? What track is this friend looking for?

[K]

[Mugwump]

[K]

From a National Bureau of Economic Research working paper. [Log in to view]

Again, a torturous eye-test: do these curves agree with the corresponding curves in previous plots where they overlap?
To me, the UK one does not look like it does, but perhaps that's down to the differences between UK, GBR, England, etc., if the labels are precise.

[Mugwump]

[K]

The more Western countries that show some sort of trend like that, the more interesting it'd be to see what happened in non-Western countries.

I don't know where to find such information. But here is a graph for a quasi-non-Western city:

[Mugwump]

[pietillidie]

It would be nice to see a list of the supposed gains and losses side-by-side, fairly considered, and fairly acknowledged.

Again, the data is highly vulnerable the recording and reporting problem which causes giant black holes in the equation. E.g., the amount of suffering reduced by advances in the tackling of child abuse, domestic abuse, discrimination (disability, gender, ethnicity, etc.), and bullying, and from further universalised services (from dentistry to mental health), among many other betterments, might dwarf other proxies by factors of ten if we actually had a the information and an agreed 'unit of suffering'.

And this is not even to mention the mass gains from the broadening of tertiary education and careers access, itself a liberalisation which has powered economic growth. How do you measure the impact of greatly universalised education, and the productivity derived therefrom, in terms of 'units of suffering' prevented? How many kids once shut out by a lack of access are now immeasurably more productive than they would've been in a 1960s conception? How many women or disabled folks now contribute to mass productivity for the same reason?

If the intention is to compare historical periods, someone needs to run these things alongside classical proxies such as the murder rate for better or worse.