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^ They want them to die without other humans being responsible for their deaths... just as I don't wish bad injuries on any AFL players, but if they happen I'd really like them to happen to key Tigers (R&R come to mind).
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Just had the grandson, Sharknado, for bit over an hour. His mum has had a tanty and wants to hand the kid over by 6pm on Friday. Problem with that is my son often doesn't get home from work til after 7pm. She doesn't want him coming to her place and she won't drop the kid at his place with who might be there cos she doesn't like getting a lecture. So my place it was.

Kid was wound up like a chinese clock, I can only assume from his normal diet at his mums place of sugar, caffeine and preservatives. managed to settle him down, then he wanted a banana, so I gave him one. After he inhaled that he went into hyperdrive for about 10 minutes before I settled him down again.

Good kid, but geez he's a handful. I'd much rather have him during the day when I can take him outside and let him run amok, but 2 1/2 years old he's already addicted to screens.
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K wrote:^ They want them to die without other humans being responsible for their deaths... just as I don't wish bad injuries on any AFL players, but if they happen I'd really like them to happen to key Tigers (R&R come to mind).
Yes, I know the rationalization. But when you applaud a death because someone has committed an unspeakable act, you have bought into the concept of ultimate justice. However much I might like having lions on the earth, I consider them no more important than innocent humans.

In fact, having observed a group of lions very, very slowly gnaw a screaming wildebeest to death, including ripping off its genitals while it was fully alive, I think lions are a little romanticized. I dislike safari hunting for many reasons, but the level of sentimentality about animals seems to me to require a certain suspension of mind.
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Mugwump wrote:...
In fact, having observed a group of lions very, very slowly gnaw a screaming wildebeest to death, including ripping off its genitals while it was fully alive, I think lions are a little romanticized. I dislike safari hunting for many reasons, but the level of sentimentality about animals seems to me to require a certain suspension of mind.
Why did they do that? I think domesticated cats are really evil, and had thought that the wild variety did not have that evil element. Is that wrong?

Part of the problem with domesticated cats is their owners, who seem to think it's fine for them to slaughter hundreds of thousands of birds a year (for example).
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Mugwump wrote:Like most people, I cheered this story, and then reflected that most of the people standing and applauding are against the death penalty for humans who willfully kill other humans. We are a strange species.
Really? How many is "most", where did this stat come from?

I'm glad the lions killed them & am also in favour of the death penalty for humans who wilfully kill other humans.

Your post about watching a lion kill a wildebeest.... so? That's what they do, it's nature, kill or be killed. As unpleasant as it is to watch it's what happens in the wild.

Having armed poachers shooting animals that obviously can't defend themselves against manmade weapons is not a fair fight. Would you have preferred the scumbag poachers be killed by the armed rangers whose job it is to protect the animals that can't protect themselves?

As a post on facebook I saw said, it's just a shame the lions didn't stop for a selfie to post on social media like the disgusting cretins that trophy hunt animals do. Hopefully one of them kept a head to mount on their wall.
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Missed my point altogether, which I can't help you with.
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K wrote:
Mugwump wrote:...
In fact, having observed a group of lions very, very slowly gnaw a screaming wildebeest to death, including ripping off its genitals while it was fully alive, I think lions are a little romanticized. I dislike safari hunting for many reasons, but the level of sentimentality about animals seems to me to require a certain suspension of mind.
Why did they do that? I think domesticated cats are really evil, and had thought that the wild variety did not have that evil element. Is that wrong?

Part of the problem with domesticated cats is their owners, who seem to think it's fine for them to slaughter hundreds of thousands of birds a year (for example).
The animals aren't evil, they just aren't humans and have none of our emotions, morals and hangups.

The lions would have chewed the wildebeests balls because they were tasty. They wouldn't care if it was still alive or not, it was just a meal.
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K wrote:
Mugwump wrote:...
In fact, having observed a group of lions very, very slowly gnaw a screaming wildebeest to death, including ripping off its genitals while it was fully alive, I think lions are a little romanticized. I dislike safari hunting for many reasons, but the level of sentimentality about animals seems to me to require a certain suspension of mind.
Why did they do that? I think domesticated cats are really evil, and had thought that the wild variety did not have that evil element. Is that wrong?

Part of the problem with domesticated cats is their owners, who seem to think it's fine for them to slaughter hundreds of thousands of birds a year (for example).
Oh the lion was just doing what it is programmed to do with an identifiable piece of edible flesh that was exposed when two other lions held the wildebeest down. My only point was that nature is very cruel, and we are unwise to sentimentalise animals.
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luvdids wrote:Missed my point altogether, which I can't help you with.
It seemed the least I could do, since you missed my original point by rather more.
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