Is this a sexist slur?

Post by **stui magpie** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:20 pm

^

If being attractive was a requirement to be a politician, 95% of federal parliament would be out on it's arse.

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:42 pm

watt price tully wrote: Waleed Aly's view.

Gaye Alcorn's view

Catherine Murphy's view

Post by **Jezza** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:44 pm

^ Love it, Wokko

Sarah Hanson Young - "It is not women's fault that men behave like morons and pigs" - (June 18 2018).

Spoken like a true collectivist, Sarah.

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:48 pm

Post by **stui magpie** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:56 pm

^

Classic example of what david said about language.

If she put the work "Some" in front of Men, no issues. By omitting it she's open to accusations of misandry and slurs all men.

Women are equally as capable as men as acting like morons and pigs, they just generally do it differently.

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:03 pm

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:21 am

^ Here we go. The right wing boys chorus. Let's blame Sarah Hanson -Young for Leyonhom's behaviour. Really? For goodness sake.

Coming from the same if not similar chorus of those who blame feminism for the plight of men: she was asking for it perhaps? She made me do it. Haven't I seen that before recently?

Pathetic.

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:26 am

partypie wrote:DL is an unattractive attention seeker adding nothing to running the country better

His behaviour is most unattractive: I agree.

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:41 am

watt price tully wrote:^ Here we go. The right wing boys chorus. Let's blame Sarah Hanson -Young for Leyonhom's behaviour. Really? For goodness sake.

Coming from the same if not similar chorus of those who blame feminism for the plight of men: she was asking for it perhaps? She made me do it. Haven't I seen that before recently?

Pathetic.

No, failing to follow the terms of an argument and accusing me (above) of the claque who support rape and domestic violence is the "pathetic" bit. It really is a filthy tactic. Please cite where I have ever suggested these excuses in a case of rape or DV, or have the decency to withdraw.

Why is it that so many Leftists cannot evaluate an argument or a perspective without wanting to literally criminalize the other point of view ? Do you not see that this is what has always doomed your project through history? How can you follow football when you cannot understand the rules of a game of debate and think your side has the right to eye-gouge the other side ?

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:54 am

Mugwump wrote:
watt price tully wrote:^ Here we go. The right wing boys chorus. Let's blame Sarah Hanson -Young for Leyonhom's behaviour. Really? For goodness sake.

Coming from the same if not similar chorus of those who blame feminism for the plight of men: she was asking for it perhaps? She made me do it. Haven't I seen that before recently?

Pathetic.
No, failing to follow the terms of an argument and accusing me (above) of coded support for rape and domestic violence is the "pathetic" bit.

Why is it that so many Leftists cannot evaluate an argument or a perspective without wanting to literally criminalize the other point of view ? Do you not see that this is what has always doomed your horrible project through history? How can you follow football when you cannot understand the rules of a game of debate and think your side has the right to eye-gouge the other side ?

She made a generalization - if you choose to inset yourself in that generalization then that's up to you. I don't. No need to. No one is accusing you of rape etc. be it Hanson Young or me. I'm surprised you would deliberately choose to see it that way (not coded at all) it's just not there un,ess you choose to perceive that way.

Men do need to stop being violent to women, men do need to stop raping women. Does this mean all men? Of course not.

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:03 am

thesoretoothsayer · Post by **thesoretoothsayer** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:03 am

She made a generalization - if you choose to inset yourself in that generalization then that's up to you. I don't. No need to.
No one is accusing you of rape etc. be it Hanson Young or me. I'm surprised you would deliberately choose to see it that way (not coded at all) it's just not there unless you choose to perceive that way.

OK, here's a statement:
Aboriginies need to stop whinging and get off the dole.
Does it offend you? If so, why?
After all, it's a generalisation. You understand that I don't mean all indigenous people. And if an indigenous person chooses to inset themselves in this generalisation then they're deliberately choosing to see it as racist. That's how your thinking works. Right?

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:24 am

No, it isn't - and the appeal to linguistic form in this case is pointless and stupid. "Men" is not a category of routine abuse or vilification in the way that "Aborigines" is. Why is that? Because "Men" actually, by and large, rule the planet but "Aborigines" are systematically subordinated and subjugated.

All political utterance is context-dependent and is actually incapable of being reduced to these sorts of simple formal comparisons.

Naturally, I appreciate that the right-nutters on here won't accept that - but their grindingly tragic failure to accept the obvious doesn't make the obvious any the less obvious.

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:57 am

thesoretoothsayer · Post by **thesoretoothsayer** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:46 am

No, it isn't - and the appeal to linguistic form in this case is pointless and stupid. "Men" is not a category of routine abuse or vilification in the way that "Aborigines" is.

I think these days that "Men" is probably the biggest category of allowable routine abuse and vilification.
Exhibit A.
An opinion piece in a reputable newspaper.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html

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Is this a sexist slur?