Crimes that deserve the death penalty?

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:49 pm

Strictly, it's been a "core plank" since the mid 1970s. It wasn't an express target, initially - the organisation focused originally on freedom of expression and freedom from political persecution. Looking at the question more broadly, the point of Amnesty was always to uphold the values underpinning the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights - its original focus was on articles 18 and 19 because they were then thought by the founders to be the most immediate concern. I don't think they went to articles 18 and 19 because they hadn't read articles 1 and 2 - I think they just took it as read that all decent people knew that the death penalty is the ultimate expression of powerlessness by a violent society, not a sensible response to violence. Amnesty started focusing on the death penalty per se after its campaigns against extra-judicial State killings (eg, in Pinochet's Chile).

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:15 pm

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:23 pm

Post by **think positive** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:23 pm

How many carlscum fans are there?

Post by **stui magpie** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:34 pm

Sigh

On capital punishment, I haven't changed my view from what I've posted in the past.

I support it, but only if we can put a strict framework around it. ie:

1. Only an option for crimes involving severe violence and/or multiple deaths

2. The prosecution has to nominate up front that they're seeking the death penalty. In which case the jury has to find the defendant guilty beyond ALL doubt (different and harder standard of proof). If they don't think they can achieve that, they can just go for regular standard of proof and a judges sentence.

3. Limited appeal options. If they get a verdict beyond all doubt, get it done and done quickly, don't drag it out. Nike time.

There are circumstances where I think it's warranted. Serious crime as above, usually corresponds with zero prospect of rehabilitation, why keep them alive? Charles manson and martin bryant come to mind.

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:35 pm

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:47 pm

They're entitled to whatever view they like - I just couldn't care less what it is.

HAL · Post by **HAL** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:49 pm

Do you like talking to me?

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:01 pm

Pies4shaw wrote:They're entitled to whatever view they like - I just couldn't care less what it is.

Nonsense. If you "could not care less what their view is", you would not consider them as standing outside the class of "decent people" for holding it.

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:03 pm

No, silly - I meant about me.

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:10 pm

Pies4shaw wrote:No, silly - I meant about me.

Ah, yeah, ok I see now. Fair enough. My point was just that intolerance breeds intolerance and soon gets out of hand. So I reckon you would care.

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:19 pm

Post by **think positive** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:20 pm

My 2 SIL went to their parents house yesterday to get clothes to bury their mother, and clothes for their father to wear to the funeral. To find every drawer in the house tossed, jewelry thrown everywhere. So me and hubby went and tidied up, and covered over the doggie door, (they had a fat dog!) as that looks to be the only way they could get in. Seriously, WTF is wrong with people? they didnt take anything we can see, i found a cup of dollar coins, at least $100 worth just sitting in a cupboard.

death penelty? maybe a tad harsh, but give me 5 min with them. scum, utter scum

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:27 pm

Post by **think positive** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:36 pm

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Crimes that deserve the death penalty?