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Honestly if people can't see a clear distinction between groups on the far left like Antifa to those on the far right I'll give you a hint.

The ones on the right are better known as Nazi's, Klu Klux Klan and White Supremacists.

If forced to choose I know which side I'm on.
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How do you assume this statement holds true for me? Aren't you usually honest?
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^^ If history is any guide, Antifa, Nazis, the KKK, crypto-stalinists and white supremacists would all happily jail and kill their opponents. These people are actually on the same side, against the open society and law.

We get nowhere choosing sides among the hate-mongers and absolutists.

Only those who accept, respect and actively seek to defend the open society and freedom of speech within long-established constitutional principles are worthy of support.
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^ sure but American context is important here and Senator Murphy just put a kick me sign on himself.
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swoop42 wrote:Honestly if people can't see a clear distinction between groups on the far left like Antifa to those on the far right I'll give you a hint.

The ones on the right are better known as Nazi's, Klu Klux Klan and White Supremacists.

If forced to choose I know which side I'm on.
This bit always gets me... can anybody, seriously, consider anybody in todays world to the Nazis???? Come on, you are deluded!
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The KKK is pretty much non existent too, the Democrats went from lynching the blacks to destroying their neighbourhoods and families with drugs and welfare policies.

Not sure there's too many Nazis left either, not sure why 100 year old Germans are so hated and feared.

As for white supremacists, if you look really hard you might be able to rustle up 100 in Australia, a few thousand in the USA. If you don't even know what terms mean then maybe you shouldn't be throwing them around.
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Mugwump wrote:^^ If history is any guide, Antifa, Nazis, the KKK, crypto-stalinists and white supremacists would all happily jail and kill their opponents. These people are actually on the same side, against the open society and law.

We get nowhere choosing sides among the hate-mongers and absolutists.

Only those who accept, respect and actively seek to defend the open society and freedom of speech within long-established constitutional principles are worthy of support.
The (real) Nazis gained a lot of support because of the Communist ancestors of Antifa and their street violence in Berlin. If we allow these degenerate scumbags to take root then eventually there's going to be pushback from the far right. Deal with the left wing toads now or deal with street wars later.
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Wokko wrote:
Mugwump wrote:^^ If history is any guide, Antifa, Nazis, the KKK, crypto-stalinists and white supremacists would all happily jail and kill their opponents. These people are actually on the same side, against the open society and law.

We get nowhere choosing sides among the hate-mongers and absolutists.

Only those who accept, respect and actively seek to defend the open society and freedom of speech within long-established constitutional principles are worthy of support.
The (real) Nazis gained a lot of support because of the Communist ancestors of Antifa and their street violence in Berlin. If we allow these degenerate scumbags to take root then eventually there's going to be pushback from the far right. Deal with the left wing toads now or deal with street wars later.
Wokko, do you really take this stuff seriously? The language could come from an extremist religion. It would make for a good lost scene from The Warriors.
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