Immigration

[stui magpie]

The problem with using *ist and *ism labels is we get into these debates about how the label is defined instead of what the issues are.

If we take the "Final Solution" reference which has stirred up so much noise, out of the equation and consider it just a gaff of monumental proportions, the rest of his speech probably will appeal to a number of mainly older people.

Now, if that is so, the next steps should be to work out what's causing that and what to do about it. Simply labelling them ignorant racists and shouting them down doesn't change how they feel and why.

Edit, a second point toward David's final paragraph, I don't think that the discourse is moving further to the right at all. These views have always existed but for a while now the left has largely controlled the discourse and people were reluctant to air these views for risk of being berated and insulted. Now, more people are sick of that and are standing up and airing their views.

So we're probably starting to have a more honest discussion and as I said above, we need to have that without labels and insults.

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great post.

[Pies4shaw]

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[pietillidie]

The vigilant focus on the ills of immigration at the expense of its many and weighty socioeconomic upsides reminds me a lot of the way Evangelical Christians such as Seventh-day Adventists see signs of the end in every other bit of world news that crosses their path. It's almost becoming a way of life for some, even as the collision of cultures, and the need to master culltural engagement, intensifies.

I personally can't see immigration slowing down; the physics is so strong it's very likely that societies which do not master the process now will pay heavily later on for what is a stubborn refusal to adapt.

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[David]

I personally can't see immigration slowing down; the physics is so strong it's very likely that societies which do not master the process now will pay heavily later on for what is a stubborn refusal to adapt.

This, 100%. The immigration isolationists are in as much of a losing battle as those who want to resurrect coal-powered energy, The challenge is how to get that integration and cultural change right, not how to prevent it.

[Wokko]

I personally can't see immigration slowing down; the physics is so strong it's very likely that societies which do not master the process now will pay heavily later on for what is a stubborn refusal to adapt.

This, 100%. The immigration isolationists are in as much of a losing battle as those who want to resurrect coal-powered energy, The challenge is how to get that integration and cultural change right, not how to prevent it.

Yet Hungary and Poland have managed to control their immigration levels quite successfully. Japan has a tiny amount of immigration. Many other such examples.

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[ronrat]

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Yet Hungary and Poland have managed to control their immigration levels quite successfully. Japan has a tiny amount of immigration. Many other such examples.[/quote]

๋Japan is in deep trouble socially. They have a looming boom in elderly people needing care and services and no workforce capable of covering it. the kids have left the farms and they can't grow enough food. Farms and villages are being abandoned. Despite there own views they would be better off allowing the excess of refugees languishing in places like Malaysia and Pakistan to migrate with some conditions. serious crime, militant religious behavior etc gets the entire family deported. And they must stay in the rural areas for say 10 years and they must attend language classes. Booming noises out of mosques etc should be banned. Priority given to family groups and low cost governemnt loans provided to repair and upgrade existing abandoned homes . say 200 Rohingans in a village and eventually one family will set up a shop to cater for their traditional foods etc and some can be employed to look after the elderly in their own rural homes whilst the kids are in Tokyo earning big bucks can pay for it. The rice farms will have labour again.

[Wokko]

๋Japan is in deep trouble socially. They have a looming boom in elderly people needing care and services and no workforce capable of covering it. the kids have left the farms and they can't grow enough food. Farms and villages are being abandoned. Despite there own views they would be better off allowing the excess of refugees languishing in places like Malaysia and Pakistan to migrate with some conditions. serious crime, militant religious behavior etc gets the entire family deported. And they must stay in the rural areas for say 10 years and they must attend language classes. Booming noises out of mosques etc should be banned. Priority given to family groups and low cost governemnt loans provided to repair and upgrade existing abandoned homes . say 200 Rohingans in a village and eventually one family will set up a shop to cater for their traditional foods etc and some can be employed to look after the elderly in their own rural homes whilst the kids are in Tokyo earning big bucks can pay for it. The rice farms will have labour again.

They don't need immigration, just allow foreign workers to come in on visas then politely show them the door later.

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[David]