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The Morrison Muppet Goverment has rushed an announcement for a Royal Commission to limit damage because of an explosive Four Corners on our shameful treatment of older people. Much of this is due to deregulation, lack of proper resourcing and essentially putting profit before care in the Aged Care Sector.

Sunday 16 September 2018

"....Prime Minister Scott Morrison will announce the dramatic measure on Sunday, as figures show complaints about the sector have skyrocketed and authorities have forcibly closed one aged-care service a month since a crackdown triggered by the Oakden nursing home scandal..."

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... 5040n.html

Monday 17 September 2018:

Who Cares?

"They're all someone's mum, someone's dad, someone's brother, someone's sister. They were all young once and they're just forgotten."

On Monday Four Corners launches the first of a two-part special investigation into the treatment of the elderly in aged care homes.

In the ABC's biggest crowdsourced investigation, we asked our audience to share with us their experiences of the aged care industry. More than 4,000 responded.

Many of those who have come forward are professionals who have extensive experience in the industry and are concerned by what they have seen.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/who-cares/10243888[/u]
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You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
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The LNP had to be dragged into a RC into the Banks and the same into the Aged Care Industry. The result will be the same, they will be taking out their mates. The sector is a disgrace as it's about profits rather than care. Having witnessed my late Fathers time in aged care all I can say I will knock myself off before I ever go into one. I wouldn't put my dog in one. If you speak up your seen as a trouble maker and they move you out or get you doped up. One of the many times when we there was a Gastro outbreak it was discovered that one of the cheap labour hired staff was washing soiled underwear in the kitchen sink. It was a regular occurrence and when seeking that they be audited the auditors would contact them and say we will be in this day to audit you. Some of the meals came down to a budget which I found out was $2.50 per resident per meal. The slop served up made pet food look first class. One time I go in and for lunch he had a party pie and sausage roll. I had an argument with the facility as Dad wanted poached eggs for breakfast and they said no as the chef could not cook them. I fired angrily back, "well he's not a chef nor a chef's a hole then". I soon discovered that chef was the owners brother in law. After numerous run ins we were basically labelled trouble makers and forced to change facilities. Moved to another which had better care but the same thing, profits ahead of care. Cheap Labour, Nurse to non English speaking staff ratios out of control and basically non of those staff would have any idea about basic first aid. I don't know what a RC will fix as unless these Companies make a huge profit they won't be interested in owning these cash cows. It's a growing industry but the workers are paid a pittance whilst the Companies are making mega bucks. As I said, I will kill myself rather than enter one.
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How much do they charge? It sounds horrific.
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K wrote:How much do they charge? It sounds horrific.
It's 85% of your Pension. Plus a RAD Residential Accommodation deposit in many cases as you have had to sell the home, could be 1/2 a million dollars which goes back to your estate less fees but they collect the interest. It's easy money.
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In what way do I sound like that?
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Culprit wrote: ... If you speak up your seen as a trouble maker and they move you out or get you doped up. ....
Doping people up is basically like assault and should be banned. It's a disgrace.
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K wrote:
Culprit wrote: ... If you speak up your seen as a trouble maker and they move you out or get you doped up. ....
Doping people up is basically like assault and should be banned. It's a disgrace.
They dope them up enough to keep them alive to keep the money rolling in.
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Aged Care is regulated by Federal legislation which means the states are limited in what they can do.

Apart from hiring cheap staff (where possible) to maximise profit, it's just not an attractive industry to work in. It tends to get the leftovers, the Nurses and other support staff who can't cut it in an acute setting so their only option is aged care. There are some clinicians who are very good and passionate about wanting to provide the best outcomes, but they're in the minority.

I don't think lack of funding is the problem (It may be) as the government funds about 70%, but the combination of low quality staff and profit first mentality.

I'll put the shotgun under my chin before I'll go into one of those places.
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stui magpie wrote:Aged Care is regulated by Federal legislation which means the states are limited in what they can do.

Apart from hiring cheap staff (where possible) to maximise profit, it's just not an attractive industry to work in. It tends to get the leftovers, the Nurses and other support staff who can't cut it in an acute setting so their only option is aged care. There are some clinicians who are very good and passionate about wanting to provide the best outcomes, but they're in the minority.

I don't think lack of funding is the problem (It may be) as the government funds about 70%, but the combination of low quality staff and profit first mentality.

I'll put the shotgun under my chin before I'll go into one of those places.
It is mate, it is. The lack of funding is not the only issue

We need quotas / ratios, we need trained staff, we need to re-regulate the industry. We need transparency. The better aged care places are ones that have as much public access as possible.
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The way I look at the Facilities are taking money from the people's pension which is paid by the Federal Government. They receive subsidies from the Federal Government. The Federal Government need to fully regulate everything involved. The trouble is so many things cross over into the States responsibilities and the States do not receive the capital to cover their input. It's a complete cluster fck. When I had issues with my Dad, I was told no that's a Federal Issue, then I go to them and was told it was a State issue. The left hand does not talk to the right hand. Had it not been for Dad being an ex MP and using his Political contacts I would have ended up like everyone else and that would be going in circles.

Amazingly when I was younger Dad had to come to School and talk to the Principle as I was naughty. 40 years later I am in a nursing home talking to the manager as Dad was naughty. I have no doubt due to his mental issues that he was a problem and in saying that the majority of staff are not trained to deal with people, they are trained to sweep floors. I will also add, many people just dump their parents in their and forget about them. It's an absolute disgrace.
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There's talk of having cameras in these places. Of course, that may help prevent the physical assaults that have made the news, but not with all the other problems.
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Details about the royal commission.

https://agedcare.health.gov.au/announce ... and-safety
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It's all pretty sad. I hope that, with nine kids, my parents at least will have somewhere decent to stay in their later years. To think that this is the fate that awaits most of us...
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