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stui magpie wrote:Libs primary vote down 19%, Labor and Greens primary vote down 6% each.

So, while a number of people are clearly pissed off at the Libs for knifing Turnbull, there's also been a general rejection of the other 2 major parties.

Many Labor and Green voters were intelligent enough to vote tactically - indeed, they were quietly encouraged to do so prior to the poll. It was always going to be a three-horse race, and Sharma was always going to get the biggest primary vote.

This made the finishing order of the other two critical. Vote countng works like this:

1: they count all the primary votes.
2: they eliminate the lowest candidate and distribute his or her 2nd preferences between the remaining ones.
3: repeat (2) as often as necessary.

Eventually, they get down to the three main candidates. Once again, the one with the lowest number of votes is eliminated, and his or her preferences distributed. Think it through:

Suppose Phelps finises 3rd. She is eliminated. Roughly half her preferences go to Sharma, half to Murray. Sharma wins easily.

Now suppose Murray finises 3rd. He is eliminated. Roughly 100% of his preferences go to Phelps, practically none to Sharma. Phelps is elected.

For this reason, a lot of Green and Labor voters very sensibly put Phelps down as #1, to make sure of the really important thing, which is electing someone other than a Liberal.

The next election may well throw up lots of real candidates (i.e., people outside the Labor - Liberal - National machines) and with any luck quite a few will get elected. Let's hope so.

But the primary reason for the Sharma's defeat in this poll was nothing to do with him. It was payback from the people of this small part of Australia for the disgraceful conduct of the party he represents and Morrison leads. In other words, it wasn't Sharma, it was kharma.
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Voters and Intelligent aren't usually 2 words that go together.
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Standing there in the Liberal-voting line, I can understand how you could believe that.
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When were you standing in the Liberal voting line? Did you get a frying pan to the head on elections eve?
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stui magpie wrote:When were you standing in the Liberal voting line? Did you get a frying pan to the head on elections eve?
There was a frypan used by the Libs but it was all serious self harm. We should find out in the scheme of things if it is fatal.
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1.3 billion for a small factory in Bendigo exporting nothing and employing 400? Tick!

Less than half that much for the car manufacturing industry exporting lots and employing tens of thousands? Nope.

And they tout themselves as "good economic managers".
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Our electoral system is pretty strange isn't it.

The Sharma Bloke gets 32,000 votes and is beaten by the crazy old lady who gets 21,000.

Crazy one would say and then I read, a bloke got into parliament with only 19 votes :shock:

Funny how all the lefties on here were carrying on about Trump getting in with less than the majority vote... but it's ok this time round :lol:

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Excellent reply, David, but what to?

(Well, clearly to a pretty brain-dead claim by someone or other, but I don't see anything on this page that fits the bill.)
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Tannin wrote:Excellent reply, David, but what to?

(Well, clearly to a pretty brain-dead claim by someone or other, but I don't see anything on this page that fits the bill.)
It was an excellent reply. However, this is mid - late high school stuff. 🙄
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