Gun laws in USA??

Culprit · Post by **Culprit** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:57 am

ISIS is sitting back laughing as the USA implodes. They are killing each other with approval from the top. Trump has no doubt divided society over there and the hatred is digging deep and the nutters who support both sides own guns. Surprise surprise the nutters are killing people with those guns.

All OK, we can offer prayers and thoughts for the dead as we do a Jewish special this week. With each circumcision you get an AR15 and 100 Rounds.

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:36 am

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:44 am

stui magpie wrote:I'm enjoying this thread, good robust debate.

FWIW I don't think Trump has created any culture deliberately. What he has done is tap into a pre existing middle America who felt disenfranchised and ignored by the 2 opposing coastal meccas (NY and So Cal) who run the progressive agenda and, to a degree, enabled them to speak up.

He didn't create their views.

At the same time, the closest thing the USA has to left wingers, haven't left therapy since he was elected and attack him without thought or measure at every turn, both winding up their own supporters and pissing off their opponents.

Basically, the US is more polarised than pretty much any time since the civil war

Summed up far better than what I have attempted to do Stu.
I think the divide started under Obama in earnest but could also attributed to Bush and Clinton and your right Trump tapped into it.
Middle American std of living has gone backwards for nearly 20 years

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:18 pm

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:36 pm

thesoretoothsayer · Post by **thesoretoothsayer** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:40 pm

Again I draw your attention to the IUS Anti Defamation League and their research. In 2017 anti semtitic incidents have increased by 57% since the election Trump was made president.

More Americans have died of the flu since Trump was made president than in decades. However, since I believe that correlation does not imply causation I will assume it's not Trump's fault (unless evidence is provided to the contrary).

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/09 ... -expected/[/quote]

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:09 pm

Post by **stui magpie** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:38 pm

An opinion.

Washington (CNN)A top official at an influential coalition of Jewish Republicans on Monday defended President Donald Trump's response to the mass killing at a Pittsburgh synagogue, arguing those who say Trump's harsh rhetoric has stoked national divisions are trying to "score partisan political attacks."

"There are too many people who are using this tragedy for partisan gain," Matt Brooks, who runs the Republican Jewish Coalition, told CNN.
He called Trump's condemnation of anti-Semitism in the wake of Saturday's shooting "very powerful and very strong" and said he has encouraged White House officials to stay the course in the days ahead.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/29/poli ... index.html

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:39 am

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:53 am

thesoretoothsayer wrote:
Again I draw your attention to the IUS Anti Defamation League and their research. In 2017 anti semtitic incidents have increased by 57% since the election Trump was made president.
More Americans have died of the flu since Trump was made president than in decades. However, since I believe that correlation does not imply causation I will assume it's not Trump's fault (unless evidence is provided to the contrary).

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/09 ... -expected/

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Nope, I saw Trump sneeze once. Sarah Huckabee Sanders did also at a presser - Have Trump, his admin and cronies contribute to enable an increase in flu deaths ?: absolutely. The only argument here is to what extent?

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:57 am

There is an obvious difference between expressing a political view, on the one hand and peddling deliberately divisive, hateful rhetoric on the other.

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:08 am

Pies4shaw wrote:There is an obvious difference between expressing a political view, on the one hand and peddling deliberately divisive, hateful rhetoric on the other.

Agree - the problem is by who's definition does a political view become divisive, hateful, rhetoric ?

Currently its the left who have this as their talking points attacking Trump, his Admin and republicans. Ironically they do it through divisive, hateful rhetoric.

Post by **think positive** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:21 am

war, politics, footy, life, its all the same, a power game, look at the atrocities of world war 1 and 2, so much finger pointing, im guessing the countries we point fingers at have a reason to point back.

doesnt give anyone the right to walk into a church and shoot people.

personal responsibility. like manners, its $@&^#

MJ23 · Post by **MJ23** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:46 am

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:09 am

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Gun laws in USA??