US election 2020

Post by **stui magpie** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:51 pm

Wokko wrote:I'll never understand your love of socialism. It doesn't work, has never worked and will never work.

Example #137 : India

https://beinglibertarian.com/democratic ... ism-india/

Yeah, Nah. I don't thats right, nor is what has been practised in India any version of socialism.

They went from a feudal system, to centralised control by a private company, to centralised control by an English appointed Governer to self rule with initially a single party and still centralised control.

The fact that the government (or controlling body) of the time basically owned all industry doesn't make them socialist. It's only been just over 70 years since independence and they've made the biggest inroads in the past 20 or so but still have a fair way to go.

Yeah, the initial government was riddled with socialists, even putting the word into their constitution, but as a democracy does, once the people got sick of it they were able to vote for reform.

They are a practising democracy with both head of state and head of government elected by the people

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:02 pm

stui magpie wrote:
Wokko wrote:I'll never understand your love of socialism. It doesn't work, has never worked and will never work.

Example #137 : India

https://beinglibertarian.com/democratic ... ism-india/
Yeah, Nah. I don't thats right, nor is what has been practised in India any version of socialism.

They went from a feudal system, to centralised control by a private company, to centralised control by an English appointed Governer to self rule with initially a single party and still centralised control.

The fact that the government (or controlling body) of the time basically owned all industry doesn't make them socialist. It's only been just over 70 years since independence and they've made the biggest inroads in the past 20 or so but still have a fair way to go.

They are a practising democracy with both head of state and head of government elected by the people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_India

"Socialism shaped the principal economic and social policies of the Indian government after independence until the early 1990s"

Their system was and is pretty clearly democratic socialist with efforts being made to liberalise the economy since the 1990s.

Post by **stui magpie** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:24 pm

Yeah, OK, I may have gone a bit hard early, but I still think trying to use India as an example of failed socialism is very rich.

There's so many other more accurate examples you could use.

Post by **David** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:27 pm

Post by **stui magpie** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:35 pm

^

The USA political system explained in 5 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ATNeRzgED4

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:36 pm

Uh huh, European Socialism.

India is hardly an oppressive country, it's exactly the kind of socialism that is being advocated for, even Venezuela was touted as the exact kind of socialism that Sanders wanted, until it fell apart like socialism always does; when it runs out of other peoples money to spend.

Socialism isn't just a good idea that's been implemented poorly, it's an evil idea in the first place.

Post by **David** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:51 pm

^ The irony is that Sanders' democratic socialism might not look all that different to that cartoon either (although of course one can dispute how much an effective social democratic state is dependent on fundamental aspects of capitalism). At least the relationship between the two in the cartoon makes the lights turn on, as opposed to just a machine chugging away in the background to no discernible end goal.

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:51 pm

It really is a dumb and spurious augument to say that India was based on Democratic socialism as though that was a self contained argument. Anyone ignoring intevening variables such as:

*The Caste system;
*Hinduism;
*Endemic corruption of the polictical and business process; and,
*The actual size of India

displays very little undertanding if any of India.

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:37 am

'Capitalism' and 'socialism': two virtually meaningless terms that can be shaped into whatever excites. Yet, here we are still.

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:00 am

I wouldn't worry too much about Kamala Harris David, she climbed the political ladder off her back and it's not exactly unknown.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/42738/fo ... =mattwalsh

Post by **Jezza** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:21 pm

In order for the Democrats to win the 2020 election, they need to target the following states where I think Trump is vulnerable:
- Michigan (16 electoral college votes)
- Pennsylvania (20 electoral college votes)
- Wisconsin (10 electoral college votes)
- Iowa (6 votes)

The Democrats need to gain 38 electoral college votes from the last election in order to win in 2020.

You could also argue that Ohio, Florida, North Carolina are toss up states, but I think Trump will win these states. The support for him from these states has remained strong after two years.

The Democrats could be vulnerable states such as Nevada, New Hampshire and Maine.

Post by **David** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:27 pm

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:29 am

Bernie might not be running as a (D) after all.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders ... ule-967928

If he then chose to run as an independent then then vote is split and Trump is pretty much guaranteed the win (think Ralph Nader, Ross Perot).

Post by **David** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:14 am

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