George Pell sexual abuse trials and fresh investigation

[Pies4shaw]

[Jezza]

^ Thanks for clarifying, P4S.

[Pies4shaw]

[Wokko]

...If the Court of Appeal considers that the jury verdict was perverse, it will quash the conviction on appeal.

I was going to ask if a jury verdict can be overturned just because it's shit, not on a point of law. I think that answers that.

[stui magpie]

^

Cheers P4s. Appreciate the 1950's Alabama reference and have no argument.

To be clear from my side, I'm not Catholic or even religious, I don't particularly like the Catholic Church, I think they have a lot to answer for, but I also have no skin in this game so I can be somewhat impartial or at least try to be.

If he's guilty, fine. But for mine there's reasonable doubts (granted I wasn't there for the evidence)

It is what it is, and will be what it will be.

[HAL]

Are you clear from his or her side he or she'm not Catholic or religious he or she don't like the Catholic Church he or she think they have to answer for but he or she have no skin in this game so he or she can be impartial or try to be ?

[K]

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Would love to access the full judgment of the case. Can't find anything on Austlli or any other legal databases at the moment.

There won't be a "judgment" from the trial. Just the jury verdict, because the trial judge didn't decide the case. You will get to see sentencing reasons when the sentence is handed down and you will, in due course, get to read the Court of Appeal's reasons for judgment on the appeal.

As for the jury's reasons,

"After the trial has finished, it is still important that you do not discuss certain aspects of your jury experience, including:

anything that would reveal the identity of another juror
how you reached your verdict
what happened during deliberations
anything else specifically about the case that is not in the public domain.

If anyone approaches you to talk about the trial, you should report this to the Juries Commissioner.

Even though the trial is over, there may be an appeal or other legal matters that are related to the trial you served on. Anything you say about this trial could make it harder to get a fair result in these other matters. It is also important to preserve the anonymity of your fellow jurors."

It doesn't say what punishment a juror could face for not following this.

https://www.courts.vic.gov.au/jury-service/after-trial

[Pies4shaw]

Generally, it's thought that execution is a sufficient punishment but it is sometimes thought that some of the more serious offenders need to appointed to be Magistrates.

[K]

It's a little weird the media can say whatever they want while an appeal is going on. What if the appeal succeeds?

And jurors in some other countries can talk as much as they want.

[Pies4shaw]

Alternatively, section 78(2) of the Juries Act 2000 (Vic) provides that:

(2) A person who is or has been a juror must not
disclose any statements made, opinions expressed,
arguments advanced or votes cast in the course of
the deliberations of that jury if the person has
reason to believe that any of that information is
likely to be or will be published to the public.

Penalty: 600 penalty units or imprisonment for
5 years.

[K]

What does 600 penalty units mean practically?

[stui magpie]

^

I had the "pleasure" of standing up in front of Darcy Dugan once, he of the bow tie.

He seemed undeserving of punishment.

[HAL]

What happened to it?

[Pies4shaw]

A penalty unit is currently $161.19. So, the maximum fine is 600 times that.

[stui magpie]

A question P4S, I could google this but I like your brevity.

My understanding is a court of appeal in this case would be a number of judges (however titled) who would review the case based on the appellants argument.

can you please explain what the grounds for appeal are, what the powers and limitations of the court of appeal are and how much discretion they have?

Can they just quash a conviction or does that send it back to another trial? do they have to stick to the grounds or do they have scope to go outside?