Post inauguration Trump:

[HAL]

The past and future are one.

[Pies4shaw]

Are one what?

[David]

I care less about the finances of a Billionaire who went into politics than politicians who have become multi-millionaires while on a congressional salary.

If Trump is guilty of dodgy financial dealings as a real estate mogul and that's all they've got on him then nobody will give a shit except deranged democrats who want him executed for the crime of being a Republican already. Cohen shot down the Russia narrative, in effect exonerating Trump. The rest is just theatre.

Nobody, in that case, except for the law. You don't think that the prospect of a president being prosecuted for financial crimes might cause problems for him?

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics ... testimony/

So does this mean that the Hilary-financed Trump/Russia conspiracy is officially dead? Credit to Dore and a few others on the left who called "bullshit" from early on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgWSrvXxzs

It's not over until Mueller completes his investigation, but the impression I get is that it is fizzling out and that the whole thing will, as I've suspected for a long time, turn out to be a whole pile of nothing.

[Pies4shaw]

Except, perhaps for the 34 people indicted, including at least half a dozen of Trump's closest allies.

[David]

[Jezza]

[Pies4shaw]

[swoop42]

Hard to find the truth when your confronted by a bunch of liars which is precisely what the Mueller investigation has already exposed.

[Jezza]

That, I guess includes the 15 charged Russian citizens.

No, I'm speaking of American nationals such as Stone and Corsi amongst others.

[Pies4shaw]

That, I guess includes the 15 charged Russian citizens.

No, I'm speaking of American nationals such as Stone and Corsi amongst others.

Oh, so (so far) these crimes:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... grand-jury

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17692626/ ... es-verdict

At what point does it matter, do you think? Is it when Trump's Campaign Chairman is indicted for (amongst many other things) conspiracy to defraud his country and conspiracy to launder money? Or does something "more significant" have to happen and, if so, wtf would that actually look like?

[Pies4shaw]

Hard to find the truth when your confronted by a bunch of liars which is precisely what the Mueller investigation has already exposed.

Just a little correction, swoop42 - they're not "liars", they're "perjurers", the difference between the two being a lengthy jail-term.

[HAL]

And what the Mueller investigation has exposed is [quoteswoop42]Hard to find the truth when your confronted by a bunch of liars which.

[Jezza]

Oh, so (so far) these crimes:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... grand-jury

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17692626/ ... es-verdict

At what point does it matter, do you think? Is it when Trump's Campaign Chairman is indicted for (amongst many other things) conspiracy to defraud his country and conspiracy to launder money? Or does something "more significant" have to happen and, if so, wtf would that actually look like?

I said "most", not "all". Manafort's charges are far more serious than most of the other indictments.

Trump's opponents were hoping that the Manafort indictment would say that the Russians paid Manafort in order to set up the supposed collusion between Trump and Russia, but the indictment didn't say anything to that nature.

Most of the criminal activities involving Manafort stopped before 2014. Nothing in the Manafort indictment suggested collusion between Trump and Russia which was the original basis for Mueller's investigation. Trump and his campaign team were never mentioned in the indictment.

If anything, Trump is guilty of poor judgment by hiring Manafort in the first place to act as his campaign chairman. The FBI had been investigating Manafort since 2014 (which predates Trump's announcement to run for President), so he was already on the radar of federal agencies.

[3.14159]

"This is typical of Mueller.He has found almost no crimes that occurred before he was appointed special counse," Dershowitz explained, adding that Mueller was appointed to find Russian collusionl and has "virtually failed in that respect in every regard."

That's incorrect. Mueller was appointed to investigate alleged Russian meddling in 2016 election. Trump has managed to shift the public focus onto provable links and interactions actions between him and Putin. Mueller mandate is much wider and he will not be misdirected so easily!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/robert ... al-counsel

[Jezza]

^ I doubt Mueller's been misdirected during his investigation.

Mueller's investigation has nearly concluded anyway and a final report will be released to the Attorney General soon. Whether it's disclosed publicly is a matter of speculation.