New Zealand terror attack at mosque

[Wokko]

There's a time and a place to bring up grievances and immediately following a terrorist massacre isn't it. I thought the same thing about Anning, even if what he and Milo said is 100% correct it's just crass to push it right now.

[Pi]

A good article by Ed Husain on the whole thing; interesting that the mind set of one terrorist is the same as another the only thing that’s different is the ideology. Even then there’s not a lot in it, they feed each other and borrow each other’s methods.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/ ... 514qk.html

[thesoretoothsayer]

People are radicalised by hate speech. Doesn't matter what colour or creed they are. It's hate speech that needs to be eliminated. 'Fighting back' means you just become what you are hating in the first place, a killer of innocents, a terror creator, a terror-ist.

Yes - and Nick's is making its own small contribution to that process. .... The Mods need to take a good hard look, lest the Feds ban this site.

Who defines hate speech? Is criticism of islam hate speech?
You may answer "no" but I'm sure there are plenty of people who would say "yes". Who decides?

Is saying women and men are different hate speech?
You may answer "no" but I'm sure there are people in the trans community who would say "yes". Who decides?

[think positive]

"Interesting" only to people like Milo Yiannopoulos who want to distract from (and possibly even give covert support to) the brutal slaughter of innocent people by a right-wing maniac.

(For those who can't be bothered reading the link, there's an unproven claim that one of the mosques that were targeted may have been involved in radicalisation years ago, but it was strenuously denied at the time and there is no clear evidence that it was the case. Guess why it's being shared now?)

thats just so wrong.

Innocent people are dead. right now thats all that matters...

[Pies4shaw]

I thought the same thing about Anning, even if what he and Milo said is 100% correct ....

But it isn't. What they said is so devoid of logic that it isn't worthy of consideration. It's 100% stupid.

[Pies4shaw]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5152k.html

[stui magpie]

A good article by Ed Husain on the whole thing; interesting that the mind set of one terrorist is the same as another the only thing that’s different is the ideology. Even then there’s not a lot in it, they feed each other and borrow each other’s methods.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/ ... 514qk.html

Yeah, it is a good article. Some food for thought in there for everyone I think.

[Pies4shaw]

From that article:

"The suspect, a white man in his late 20s, took two years to plan the killings, but laid out in his "manifesto" the six years of reading, travelling, thinking and conversing with other racists that led to his decision to kill Muslims. The manifesto reads like a new version of Mein Kampf. Nazism is alive in our midst and we must be vigilant against it."

[Morrigu]

I thought the same thing about Anning, even if what he and Milo said is 100% correct ....

But it isn't. What they said is so devoid of logic that it isn't worthy of consideration. It's 100% stupid.

I have no idea who said or says what, I don't care that much to be honest cause it just goes on and on and doesn't change a bloody thing - frankly I'm more concerned with Botswana talking about reintroducing elephant hunting

But in my very simplistic view it seems that one side just yell you're wrong, youre stupid, you're a racist, you are islamophobic etc and all that does is make those who hold different views IMHO mainly due to ignorance and an unfounded fear become more combative and resistant to any education that may possibly change their views and then they retort with leftards etc.

And sorry but those yelling racist etc etc seem to be the most intolerant of any opinion other than own - even condoning a politician ( albeit a nasty piece of work) having an egg smashed into his head by a young man from behind because they don't like said politician or what he said. I seriously doubt they would be celebrating him if he had done such a thing to a politician they agreed with - hypocrites much!

[stui magpie]

I thought the same thing about Anning, even if what he and Milo said is 100% correct ....

But it isn't. What they said is so devoid of logic that it isn't worthy of consideration. It's 100% stupid.

I have no idea who said or says what, I don't care that much to be honest cause it just goes on and on and doesn't change a bloody thing - frankly I'm more concerned with Botswana talking about reintroducing elephant hunting

But in my very simplistic view it seems that one side just yell you're wrong, youre stupid, you're a racist, you are islamophobic etc and all that does is make those who hold different views IMHO mainly due to ignorance and an unfounded fear become more combative and resistant to any education that may possibly change their views and then they retort with leftards etc.

And sorry but those yelling racist etc etc seem to be the most intolerant of any opinion other than own - even condoning a politician ( albeit a nasty piece of work) having an egg smashed into his head by a young man from behind because they don't like said politician or what he said. I seriously doubt they would be celebrating him if he had done such a thing to a politician they agreed with - hypocrites much!

Oh gawd, I agree 100% with that.

Please come back and post more often..

There's so very few places where actual debate can be held on social media. So many people are fixed in their mindset and utterly intolerant of dissenting views, it's either echo chambers of like minds or pile on the insults with little between and yes, the insults only feed that thing being insulted.

[Pies4shaw]

But it isn't. What they said is so devoid of logic that it isn't worthy of consideration. It's 100% stupid.

I have no idea who said or says what, I don't care that much to be honest cause it just goes on and on and doesn't change a bloody thing - frankly I'm more concerned with Botswana talking about reintroducing elephant hunting

But in my very simplistic view it seems that one side just yell you're wrong, youre stupid, you're a racist, you are islamophobic etc and all that does is make those who hold different views IMHO mainly due to ignorance and an unfounded fear become more combative and resistant to any education that may possibly change their views and then they retort with leftards etc.

And sorry but those yelling racist etc etc seem to be the most intolerant of any opinion other than own - even condoning a politician ( albeit a nasty piece of work) having an egg smashed into his head by a young man from behind because they don't like said politician or what he said. I seriously doubt they would be celebrating him if he had done such a thing to a politician they agreed with - hypocrites much!

Oh gawd, I agree 100% with that.

Please come back and post more often..

There's so very few places where actual debate can be held on social media. So many people are fixed in their mindset and utterly intolerant of dissenting views, it's either echo chambers of like minds or pile on the insults with little between and yes, the insults only feed that thing being insulted.

I'm very tolerant of others' views, I just don't like neo-Nazis, ethno-nationalists or white-supremacists. They are not fit to participate in our polity and the sooner they are (both figuratively and actually) quashed, the better.

[Wokko]

I'm very tolerant of others' views, I just don't like neo-Nazis, ethno-nationalists or white-supremacists. They are not fit to participate in our polity and the sooner they are (both figuratively and actually) quashed, the better.

No you're not and if you try and censor those people rather than defeat their ideas in the public square then all you do is drive them underground, legitimise them in far too many minds and radicalize them. Forgive the pop culture reference but this quote from Game of Thrones is apt “When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”

[Pies4shaw]

I'm very tolerant of others' views, I just don't like neo-Nazis, ethno-nationalists or white-supremacists. They are not fit to participate in our polity and the sooner they are (both figuratively and actually) quashed, the better.

No you're not and if you try and censor those people rather than defeat their ideas in the public square then all you do is drive them underground, legitimise them in far too many minds and radicalize them. Forgive the pop culture reference but this quote from Game of Thrones is apt “When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”

That's probably right, if you're actually tearing out someone's tongue. "Well, mister, we don't see much of that in these parts."

And, "Oh, yes I am" (cue wokko's pantomime horse to enter from stage left).

[Pies4shaw]

https://www.theguardian.com/global/comm ... ples-fault

[Pies4shaw]