New Zealand terror attack at mosque

[think positive]

That’s a sad read. Very true. I’ve noticed every time something like this happens, the head scarved women get like deer in head lights. Until you smile and say hi. I can’t imagine what it’s like. A few weeks back I was down the beach just taking pictures, and I saw the mostgorgeoussudenese family, three girls, and asked if I could take some pictures. They seemed relieved I talked to them. There definitely is a problem withgangs A couple of suburbs over but clearly, this family was not gang material. Jus5 as not all catholic priests are pedophiles, all Germans were not Hitler, and all Muslims are not radical.

But how do you fix it?

[David]

[swoop42]

I thought the same thing about Anning, even if what he and Milo said is 100% correct ....

But it isn't. What they said is so devoid of logic that it isn't worthy of consideration. It's 100% stupid.

I have no idea who said or says what, I don't care that much to be honest cause it just goes on and on and doesn't change a bloody thing - frankly I'm more concerned with Botswana talking about reintroducing elephant hunting

But in my very simplistic view it seems that one side just yell you're wrong, youre stupid, you're a racist, you are islamophobic etc and all that does is make those who hold different views IMHO mainly due to ignorance and an unfounded fear become more combative and resistant to any education that may possibly change their views and then they retort with leftards etc.

And sorry but those yelling racist etc etc seem to be the most intolerant of any opinion other than own - even condoning a politician ( albeit a nasty piece of work) having an egg smashed into his head by a young man from behind because they don't like said politician or what he said. I seriously doubt they would be celebrating him if he had done such a thing to a politician they agreed with - hypocrites much!

Anning didn't have an egg cracked on his head because he's a conservative who supports a new coal fired power station, tax cuts to the rich or the east west link he had an egg cracked on his head because he's a racist, doesn't even pretend otherwise and was attending an event surrounded by white supremacists.

Sorry but his kind don't deserve a voice as they are the preachers of hate and nothing more.

[stui magpie]

An interesting assessment of the killer by Guy Rundle:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/03/18/br ... narrative/

it is interesting and for a distinct change I find myself in almost agreement with him.

Having read about half of the manifesto (I got a pdf version) his focus is clearly separatist. he has no issues with Muslims as long as they stay at home, in that case his aims are the same as ISIS. ISIS wants to make the rest of the world inhospitable to Muslims so that they can all congregate together in the new caliphate. That's the end game. Having them dispersed around the world is a temporary state in their mind only serving to allow them to radicalise a few and instigate terrorist actions, Islamophobic responses and sometimes, like this one, terrorist responses.

All serves their purpose.

Tarrant did harp on about birth rates and the strong culture allowing immigrants to supplant the culture of their host country. That was his big issue, Muslims just happened to be the group he chose as to him they seemed the most in your face example.

He's also acting as a provocateur. Driving a schism into the west.

The Left also unwittingly do the bidding of ISIS (I think this was covered in another article you posted or linked to, and also by Morrigu) in that by systematically berating and bullying anyone who dares disagree with their narrative rather than trying to engage in debate, they actually push many undecideds further right.

So in summary, the whole situation is currently a clustercluck. The solution is open and honest transparency of communication and acceptance of difference of opinions rather than insults but I'm going to sprout wings and fly to the moon before that happens.

So buckle up, it's not going to get better. ISIS is far from dead even if their recent attempt seems to have failed. Enough senior people have spread around the globe with enough significant funding to keep pushing their program, it will just morph. Discounting his writings as the babble of a far right idiot is to ignore the lessons contained therein.

[thesoretoothsayer]

An interesting assessment of the killer by Guy Rundle:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/03/18/br ... narrative/

I usually think of Rundle as a boring old communist but I think he's cogent here. The mood of the far-right isn't one of racial triumphalism but one of embittered resignation. They believe that whites have lost the demographic race, that their countries have been betrayed by globalist elites and that a hollowed out West is no match for the muscular ideology of islam. When you think about it, they don't actually hate islam, they're jealous of it.

[pietillidie]

An interesting assessment of the killer by Guy Rundle:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/03/18/br ... narrative/

it is interesting and for a distinct change I find myself in almost agreement with him.

Having read about half of the manifesto (I got a pdf version) his focus is clearly separatist. he has no issues with Muslims as long as they stay at home, in that case his aims are the same as ISIS. ISIS wants to make the rest of the world inhospitable to Muslims so that they can all congregate together in the new caliphate. That's the end game. Having them dispersed around the world is a temporary state in their mind only serving to allow them to radicalise a few and instigate terrorist actions, Islamophobic responses and sometimes, like this one, terrorist responses.

All serves their purpose.

Tarrant did harp on about birth rates and the strong culture allowing immigrants to supplant the culture of their host country. That was his big issue, Muslims just happened to be the group he chose as to him they seemed the most in your face example.

He's also acting as a provocateur. Driving a schism into the west.

The Left also unwittingly do the bidding of ISIS (I think this was covered in another article you posted or linked to, and also by Morrigu) in that by systematically berating and bullying anyone who dares disagree with their narrative rather than trying to engage in debate, they actually push many undecideds further right.

So in summary, the whole situation is currently a clustercluck. The solution is open and honest transparency of communication and acceptance of difference of opinions rather than insults but I'm going to sprout wings and fly to the moon before that happens.

So buckle up, it's not going to get better. ISIS is far from dead even if their recent attempt seems to have failed. Enough senior people have spread around the globe with enough significant funding to keep pushing their program, it will just morph. Discounting his writings as the babble of a far right idiot is to ignore the lessons contained therein.

That's not a particularly coherent view, though. You wouldn't blame the existence of ISIS on liberal Muslims who do not tolerate extremist views and argue vigorously against backward bigotry; that's an argument central to ISIS' own preaching and self justification. But you might blame the existence of ISIS on hate merchants and those who support and fund their ideas, magnifying their reach.

In our context, the unwitting supporters of this sort of extremism are the casual and soft bigots, the cowardly right political parties, and the amoral opportunists who make money from fear mongering media and policies dependent on far right votes.

The targeting of vulnerable minorities to stoke fear and leverage votes and economic opportunity is as old as society itself; there is nothing new to see here politically. But those whose minds have been primed to view the world in a fundamentalist manner, split between good and evil, can no more be reasoned with than a fundamentalist Muslim, Hindu or Christian. It takes years for this type of person to overcome that sort of psychiatry. In the interim, the best society can do is is minimise their harm.

[stui magpie]

That's not a particularly coherent view, though. You wouldn't blame the existence of ISIS on liberal Muslims who do not tolerate extremist views and argue vigorously against backward bigotry. But you might blame the existence of ISIS on hate merchants and those who support and fund their ideas, magnifying their reach.

I would actually blame the existence of ISIS on something more basic, men seeking power and control

In an islamic country there is little to no separation between church and state. Islam is not just a religion, it's a culture, a way of life that children are indoctrinated into from birth. The men in power have the power and control. With the Internet penetration increasing dramatically over the past decade or so, the pervasiveness of western culture and womens rights, if you're a senior Muslim who likes things under control, the West is a threat to your way of life, your culture. A mirror image of Tarrant's manifesto (or vice versa).

The biggest risk to these kind of people is Muslims successfully assimilating into western society, becoming more westernised over time, reducing the ability to control the populace and destroying the way of life they want.

The obvious side effect of the Islamist terrorism, is a rise in the right wing and a corresponding rise in the left, both of which serve their purposes.

To your other point, when you reach this point reason doesn't work. You can't win arguments with logic or facts, only with emotion.

[pietillidie]

That's not a particularly coherent view, though. You wouldn't blame the existence of ISIS on liberal Muslims who do not tolerate extremist views and argue vigorously against backward bigotry. But you might blame the existence of ISIS on hate merchants and those who support and fund their ideas, magnifying their reach.

I would actually blame the existence of ISIS on something more basic, men seeking power and control

Precisely, and hence:

The targeting of vulnerable minorities to stoke fear and leverage votes and economic opportunity is as old as society itself; there is nothing new to see here politically.

A certain percentage of the population will always be prone to fundamentalism and being signed up to causes engineered by those seeking power. This might be left or right, to be sure; however, the present matter is plainly a problem of the right, which fuels a rich world of paranoid hatreds for political ends.

[stui magpie]

Speaking of men seeking power.

The hate-filled killer at Christchurch’s mosques may be in custody, but he is still achieving what he wanted: escalating chaos.

Who could have imagined that just a month from Anzac Day, the leaders of Turkey and Australia would be at each other’s throat for the first time since their predecessors fought on Gallipoli’s slopes 104 years ago?

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... 515uz.html

The comments from the Turkish President were pretty piss poor and historically inaccurate. The scariest bit was the "threat" that if NZ didn't execute Tarrant, somehow Turkey would deal with it.

Sco Mo calls in the Turkish ambassador then holds a press conference slamming the Turkish president. Little Bill chimes in with an echo. Diplomacy by media.

By contrast, Jacinta Arden, the NZ PM says relatively little (that I'm aware of) other than that she's put her foreign minister on the first plane to Turkey.

Who'd a thought a Lamb Ad would hold the solution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V1IDRM4h3c

[stui magpie]

Getting sick of these DP's

[swoop42]

Getting sick of these DP's

Poor you having to share.

[thesoretoothsayer]

I may be late to the party but have 4chan and 8chan been blocked?

Oops, does look like I'm late to the party:
https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/19/16/ ... n-liveleak

[watt price tully]

But it isn't. What they said is so devoid of logic that it isn't worthy of consideration. It's 100% stupid.

I have no idea who said or says what, I don't care that much to be honest cause it just goes on and on and doesn't change a bloody thing - frankly I'm more concerned with Botswana talking about reintroducing elephant hunting

But in my very simplistic view it seems that one side just yell you're wrong, youre stupid, you're a racist, you are islamophobic etc and all that does is make those who hold different views IMHO mainly due to ignorance and an unfounded fear become more combative and resistant to any education that may possibly change their views and then they retort with leftards etc.

And sorry but those yelling racist etc etc seem to be the most intolerant of any opinion other than own - even condoning a politician ( albeit a nasty piece of work) having an egg smashed into his head by a young man from behind because they don't like said politician or what he said. I seriously doubt they would be celebrating him if he had done such a thing to a politician they agreed with - hypocrites much!

Anning didn't have an egg cracked on his head because he's a conservative who supports a new coal fired power station, tax cuts to the rich or the east west link he had an egg cracked on his head because he's a racist, doesn't even pretend otherwise and was attending an event surrounded by white supremacists.

Sorry but his kind don't deserve a voice as they are the preachers of hate and nothing more.

Correct weight.

[watt price tully]

Speaking of men seeking power.

The hate-filled killer at Christchurch’s mosques may be in custody, but he is still achieving what he wanted: escalating chaos.

Who could have imagined that just a month from Anzac Day, the leaders of Turkey and Australia would be at each other’s throat for the first time since their predecessors fought on Gallipoli’s slopes 104 years ago?

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... 515uz.html

The comments from the Turkish President were pretty piss poor and historically inaccurate. The scariest bit was the "threat" that if NZ didn't execute Tarrant, somehow Turkey would deal with it.

Sco Mo calls in the Turkish ambassador then holds a press conference slamming the Turkish president. Little Bill chimes in with an echo. Diplomacy by media.

By contrast, Jacinta Arden, the NZ PM says relatively little (that I'm aware of) other than that she's put her foreign minister on the first plane to Turkey.

Who'd a thought a Lamb Ad would hold the solution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V1IDRM4h3c

I've written elsewhere over many years about Erdogan: the Islamo-fascist wearing a suit.

He's jailed & killed many, jailed jounalists and anyone with dissenting voices.

He is also facing an election. He has entreched power, changed laws to make himself the Sultan of Turkey. Nasty man; clever for local politics, knows how to capaitalize politically in terms of "us and them".

Feel for the Kurds who are being killed by this man and his regime

[pietillidie]

Speaking of men seeking power.

The hate-filled killer at Christchurch’s mosques may be in custody, but he is still achieving what he wanted: escalating chaos.

Who could have imagined that just a month from Anzac Day, the leaders of Turkey and Australia would be at each other’s throat for the first time since their predecessors fought on Gallipoli’s slopes 104 years ago?

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... 515uz.html

The comments from the Turkish President were pretty piss poor and historically inaccurate. The scariest bit was the "threat" that if NZ didn't execute Tarrant, somehow Turkey would deal with it.

Sco Mo calls in the Turkish ambassador then holds a press conference slamming the Turkish president. Little Bill chimes in with an echo. Diplomacy by media.

By contrast, Jacinta Arden, the NZ PM says relatively little (that I'm aware of) other than that she's put her foreign minister on the first plane to Turkey.

Who'd a thought a Lamb Ad would hold the solution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V1IDRM4h3c

Erdogan's opportunism here is par for the course for centre-right politicians, who are regularly rewarded by conservative money men and die hard right voters for courting fundamentalist extremists.

The difference, of course, is that we won't get out our false equivalency yardsticks and blame Turkish progressives for riling Turkish extremists with mean and intolerant words. Other people's fundamentalists are much more obviously repellent than our own.

Unfortunately, by electing comparable lowlifes like Trump who also rouse hatred and court fundamentalist extremists, the high ground in international diplomacy has been lost in much of the Anglosphere, leaving too few leaders with the moral authority to put the Erdogans of the world back in their place. Instead, diplomacy has been outsourced downward to eye-for-eye nutcases whose life motivation is being recognised for extremist acts by extremist communities.

I don't know too much about her, but here's hoping Ardern can be the face of decency in a mire of amoral cowards who can't win elections without courting hate.