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pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:53 pm

^Are you a child?

There are many forms of self-aggrandisement, from leverage to nepotism. And corruption is still corruption, criminal association is still criminal association, and white collar crime still white collar crime, regardless of net worth.

Do you have a reasoned response to this, or are you going to copy and paste another piece of drivel that some pimply teenager somewhere created for you?

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:56 pm

You're the one making grandiose and ridiculous claims. I'm sure you've got evidence for them of course.

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:47 pm

Wokko wrote:You're the one making grandiose and ridiculous claims. I'm sure you've got evidence for them of course.

Goodness, where does one start? The historical corrupt business activities? The use of office to intimidate journalists? The nepotistic appointment of unqualified family members to serious positions of government? The use of office to influence investigations? The embedded, close association with indicted criminals? The mollycoddling and incitement of extremists? The refusal to disavow conflicts of interest? The use of campaign payments to suppress information? The refusal to disclose tax returns? The racist attacks on Mexicans to win votes? The casual cavorting with North Korea to obtain a reality TV 'win'?

Quid pro quos with foreign powers are but the submerged tip of what is an inverted iceberg, with the bulk of the crimes already visible. However, as we all know, George W. and his gang of criminals still haven't faced justice for their wars and corrupt business dealings, so all of this needs to be viewed in a context where the highest powers in American office are often not prosecuted for their crimes.

Put the Trump laundry list into broader context. Can you see someone as tainted as Trump leading another advanced democracy? Italy under Berlusconi might come close, but it's unimaginable that someone associated with even a fraction of the business history, conflicts of interest, and abuse of office with which Trump is associated would be elected and then maintained as a PM or leader elsewhere.

In vivid contrast, Trudeau might be finished after a single Trump-like abuse of power because Canada holds its leaders to serious standards.

There is nothing grandiose about these claims at all. You've lost perspective, living as you do in virtual extreme America. Take the many arguments listed below and offer a defense if you wish; I'm sure Breitbart et al. have counter-arguments that aren't animated GIFs, many of which also have some merit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aff ... nald_Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/opin ... eport.html

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/20/18241825/ ... e-congress

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:51 pm

Goodness, where does one start? The historical corrupt business activities? The use of office to intimidate journalists? The nepotistic appointment of unqualified family members to serious positions of government? The use of office to influence investigations? The embedded, close association with indicted criminals? The mollycoddling and incitement of extremists? The refusal to disavow conflicts of interest? The use of campaign payments to suppress information? The refusal to disclose tax returns? The racist attacks on Mexicans to win votes? The casual cavorting with North Korea to obtain a reality TV 'win'?

Quid pro quos with foreign powers are but the submerged tip of what is an inverted iceberg, with the bulk of the crimes already visible. However, as we all know, George W. and his gang of criminals still haven't faced justice for their wars and corrupt business dealings, so all of this needs to be viewed in a context where the highest powers in American office are often not prosecuted for their crimes.

Enough about Obama, what about Trump?

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:54 pm

Really? Another juvenile meme? You've become a far-right meme-generating version of HAL.

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:55 pm

I don't see any need to respond seriously to Trump derangement suffering leftists.

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:04 pm

Wokko wrote:I don't see any need to respond seriously to Trump derangement suffering leftists.

And still a further copy-paste meme. Teenagers and brainwashed fundamentalists do that sort of stuff.

Do you fear having to change your views in interaction with the world? Has the world become too difficult for you to engage seriously?

Just do the thought exercise: take Trump and try to make him leader of any other advanced nation on the planet without him being swiftly dismissed or prosecuted, or not elected to begin with.

Post by **Jezza** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:47 pm

The Mueller investigation appears to be a big nothingburger in the end.

Five things that didn't happen in the Mueller investigation

1. Mueller did not indict Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, or other people whose purported legal jeopardy was the subject of intense media speculation in the last year.

2. Mueller did not charge anyone in the Trump campaign or circle with conspiring with Russia to fix the 2016 election, as was the subject of intense media speculation in the last year.

3. Mueller did not subpoena the president, as was the subject of intense media speculation in the last year.

4. The president did not fire Mueller, as was the subject of intense media speculation in the last year.

5. The president did not interfere with the Mueller investigation, as was the subject of intense media speculation in the last year. In his letter to Congress, Barr noted the requirement that he notify lawmakers if top Justice Department officials ever interfered with the Mueller investigation. "There were no such instances," Barr wrote.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... ifications

Skids · Post by **Skids** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:06 pm

Trump 2020

So good! I never get sick of the laughs that the whining, moronic, pretentious leftists spruiking gives me. I go to work every day with a smile on my face

Life is good.

Post by **David** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:26 am

Post by **Pies4shaw** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:35 am

Letter to House and Senate Judiciary Committees

Post by **David** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:58 am

#Resistance types in the media will try their best to spin this in their favour, but this reads like a pretty thorough repudiation of Russiagate to me.

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:44 am

That quote sums up a huge chunk of my animosity towards the left and progressives in general. They don't just want to give up their own freedoms for safety but want to take mine too. **** the arrogant, self righteous morally superior wankers. Yes, I like to 'trigger liberals' because they want power over me and they want to use the violence of government to take it.

I usually keep my views to satire and gentle mockery, but you asked.

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:48 am

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:13 am

The obvious counter view on Mueller:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -democrats

"That case would sink any other leader in any other western country."

George W. was never prosecuted for horrific crimes and corruption, but Iraq was eventually hung around his neck. I can't see Trump shaking the smell of corruption off himself; even this sanitised report will only heighten the stench, while the various other investigations will fan it for months yet.

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